Re: [Bug 623] New: Volume not remembered.

[Ian Kumlien <pomac@vapor.com>]

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On Thu, 24 Apr 2003 00:30:16 +0200, Martin J. Bligh wrote:
>> Yes, but that's a user space problem too. Nothing prevents your
>> distribution to crank up the volume to 100% also on a first-time
>> installation.
> 
> 100% would be stupid too. If the distro can pick a reasonable value, the
> kernel can too. Thus the argument "push the problem into userspace"
> doesn't do anything for me.

100% isn't good. F.ex. emu10k1 cards would lead to more bugreports since
you get clipping with that volume.

>> The kernel should pick a value that's safe in all cases. And this is
>> zero. Don't forget that there can be several seconds between the
>> driver's initialization and the moment when the user-space utility gets
>> to change the settings.
> 
> So if people want 0 volume for some reason, they can set *that* in
> userspace. Windows can manage to do this without cocking it up. I don't
> see why we can't achieve it.

Which is stupid, since you need it zero before it can get to userspace.
(see the examples) And i know windows users who hates windows
soundcontrol since it plays a lame sound at boot up and you can't lower
the volume there (yes, easy workaround, but the same thing).

But, imho:
	PCM should not be 0, Setting main volume to 0 is good, but 	seeing the
common user getting there might be a problem.

Imagine:
Joe User installs Joe-Distro and starts xmms, now, with the default
config you change the 'master' volume but pcm is still 0. This is
something that will/could/might/etc cause reports like that.

Problem is, emu10k1 is good somewhere on the lines of 90% when it comes
to pcm... I dunno if other cards has simular issues.

Change PCM (and simular) if anything, changing master will only cause
problems, as seen.

CC, since I'm not on this ml.

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Ian Kumlien <pomac@vapor.com>

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