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* 2.4.21 Isn't working for me....
@ 2003-08-26  4:36 AthlonRob
  2003-08-26  6:47 ` Ducrot Bruno
  2003-08-26 19:41 ` AthlonRob
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: AthlonRob @ 2003-08-26  4:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: cpufreq

Hello list...

I'm trying to get some cpu frequency control over my laptop's CPU with
the 2.4.21 kernel.  I'd just jump to 2.6.0-test4, but have a few pieces
of hardware that don't have drivers available for the test kernel yet.

I downloaded the versions for 2.4 dated August 24th, 25th, and also the
26th.  The ones from the 24th and 25th give the results below, the 26th
errors out during patching.

Is there a different version I should use?  Any solution to the below? 
Am I totally SOL?  :-)

I enabled cpufreq under processor options, enabling the P4 one built-in
(not as a module).  make bzImage spits forth the following:

gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/home/rob/kernel/linux-2.4.21/include -Wall
-Wstrict-prototypes -Wno-trigraphs -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common
-fomit-frame-pointer -pipe -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -march=i686  
-nostdinc -iwithprefix include -DKBUILD_BASENAME=cpufreq 
-DEXPORT_SYMTAB -c cpufreq.c
In file included from cpufreq.c:28:
/home/rob/kernel/linux-2.4.21/include/linux/cpufreq.h:41:2: #error fill
in SMP version
cpufreq.c: In function `cpufreq_setup':
cpufreq.c:97: warning: implicit declaration of function `cpufreq_max'
cpufreq.c:97: invalid lvalue in assignment
cpufreq.c:98: warning: implicit declaration of function `cpufreq_min'
cpufreq.c:98: invalid lvalue in assignment
cpufreq.c: In function `cpufreq_restore':
cpufreq.c:192: warning: implicit declaration of function
`cpufreq_current'
cpufreq.c: In function `cpufreq_set':
cpufreq.c:284: invalid lvalue in assignment
cpufreq.c: At top level:
cpufreq.c:413: invalid lvalue in unary `&'
cpufreq.c:413: initializer element is not constant
cpufreq.c:413: (near initialization for `ctl_cpu_vars[0].data')
cpufreq.c:417: initializer element is not constant
cpufreq.c:417: (near initialization for `ctl_cpu_vars[0]')
cpufreq.c:421: invalid lvalue in unary `&'
cpufreq.c:421: initializer element is not constant
cpufreq.c:421: (near initialization for `ctl_cpu_vars[1].data')
cpufreq.c:425: initializer element is not constant
cpufreq.c:425: (near initialization for `ctl_cpu_vars[1]')
cpufreq.c:432: initializer element is not constant
cpufreq.c:432: (near initialization for `ctl_cpu_vars[2]')
cpufreq.c:435: initializer element is not constant
cpufreq.c:435: (near initialization for `ctl_cpu_vars[3]')
cpufreq.c: In function `cpufreq_init':
cpufreq.c:514: invalid lvalue in assignment
cpufreq.c:516: invalid lvalue in assignment
cpufreq.c:519: invalid lvalue in assignment
cpufreq.c:528: invalid lvalue in assignment
make[2]: *** [cpufreq.o] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/rob/kernel/linux-2.4.21/kernel'
make[1]: *** [first_rule] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/rob/kernel/linux-2.4.21/kernel'
make: *** [_dir_kernel] Error 2

I'd really appreciate any help you can provide... maybe a -stable
release somewhere instead of what I think are nightly cvs 'builds' ? 
:-)

Thanks..

Rob

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* Re: 2.4.21 Isn't working for me....
  2003-08-26  4:36 2.4.21 Isn't working for me AthlonRob
@ 2003-08-26  6:47 ` Ducrot Bruno
  2003-08-26  9:26   ` Toula Michael
  2003-08-26 19:43   ` AthlonRob
  2003-08-26 19:41 ` AthlonRob
  1 sibling, 2 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Ducrot Bruno @ 2003-08-26  6:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: AthlonRob; +Cc: cpufreq

On Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 09:36:57PM -0700, AthlonRob wrote:
> Hello list...
> 
> I'm trying to get some cpu frequency control over my laptop's CPU with
> the 2.4.21 kernel.  I'd just jump to 2.6.0-test4, but have a few pieces
> of hardware that don't have drivers available for the test kernel yet.
> 
> I downloaded the versions for 2.4 dated August 24th, 25th, and also the
> 26th.  The ones from the 24th and 25th give the results below, the 26th
> errors out during patching.
> 

The latest is again 2.4.22, _not_ 2.4.21.

Cheers,

-- 
Ducrot Bruno

--  Which is worse:  ignorance or apathy?
--  Don't know.  Don't care.

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* Re: 2.4.21 Isn't working for me....
  2003-08-26  6:47 ` Ducrot Bruno
@ 2003-08-26  9:26   ` Toula Michael
  2003-08-26  9:53     ` Bas Mevissen
  2003-08-26 19:43   ` AthlonRob
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Toula Michael @ 2003-08-26  9:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
  Cc: cpufreq

Ducrot Bruno wrote:

>On Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 09:36:57PM -0700, AthlonRob wrote:
>  
>
>>Hello list...
>>
>>I'm trying to get some cpu frequency control over my laptop's CPU with
>>the 2.4.21 kernel.  I'd just jump to 2.6.0-test4, but have a few pieces
>>of hardware that don't have drivers available for the test kernel yet.
>>
>>I downloaded the versions for 2.4 dated August 24th, 25th, and also the
>>26th.  The ones from the 24th and 25th give the results below, the 26th
>>errors out during patching.
>>
>>    
>>
>
>The latest is again 2.4.22, _not_ 2.4.21.
>
>Cheers,
>
>  
>
Do the 2.4.22 patch works with linux.2.4.22 final or only with -rc ????
Cheers,

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* Re: 2.4.21 Isn't working for me....
  2003-08-26  9:26   ` Toula Michael
@ 2003-08-26  9:53     ` Bas Mevissen
  2003-08-26 11:29       ` Ducrot Bruno
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Bas Mevissen @ 2003-08-26  9:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Toula Michael; +Cc: cpufreq

Toula Michael wrote:

> 
> Do the 2.4.22 patch works with linux.2.4.22 final or only with -rc ????
> Cheers,
> 

final is rc4 + makefile patch
rc4 is small delta upon rc3

So rc3, rc4 and final probably patch without rejects and rejects with 
older versions are likely easy to fix. But if there is no real reason to 
  use something before 22, please use 2.4.22.

Regards,

Bas.

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* Re: 2.4.21 Isn't working for me....
  2003-08-26  9:53     ` Bas Mevissen
@ 2003-08-26 11:29       ` Ducrot Bruno
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Ducrot Bruno @ 2003-08-26 11:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Bas Mevissen; +Cc: Toula Michael, cpufreq

On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 11:53:28AM +0200, Bas Mevissen wrote:
> Toula Michael wrote:
> 
> >
> >Do the 2.4.22 patch works with linux.2.4.22 final or only with -rc ????
> >Cheers,
> >
> 
> final is rc4 + makefile patch
> rc4 is small delta upon rc3
> 
> So rc3, rc4 and final probably patch without rejects and rejects with 
> older versions are likely easy to fix. But if there is no real reason to 
>  use something before 22, please use 2.4.22.
> 

To be more precise: this is cpufreq-2.4.22-pre6 from Dave J. (and containing
lot of updates from Dominik) found in http://www.codemonkey.org.uk/
with some portions rediffed against 2.4.22-rc4 (which is 2.4.22 in fact).

-- 
Ducrot Bruno

--  Which is worse:  ignorance or apathy?
--  Don't know.  Don't care.

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* Re: 2.4.21 Isn't working for me....
  2003-08-26  4:36 2.4.21 Isn't working for me AthlonRob
  2003-08-26  6:47 ` Ducrot Bruno
@ 2003-08-26 19:41 ` AthlonRob
  2003-08-27 12:31   ` Ducrot Bruno
  2003-08-27 15:55   ` Ducrot Bruno
  1 sibling, 2 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: AthlonRob @ 2003-08-26 19:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: cpufreq

On Mon, 2003-08-25 at 21:36, AthlonRob wrote:
 
> I'm trying to get some cpu frequency control over my laptop's CPU with
> the 2.4.21 kernel.  I'd just jump to 2.6.0-test4, but have a few pieces
> of hardware that don't have drivers available for the test kernel yet.

I just found http://www.codemonkey.org.uk/projects/cpufreq/ in the
archives and gave the two patches listed there a shot.

-1 and -2.

Here are the results I got from that on my make bzImage....

gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/home/rob/kernel/linux-2.4.21/include -Wall
-Wstrict-prototypes -Wno-trigraphs -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common
-fomit-frame-pointer -pipe -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -march=i686  
-nostdinc -iwithprefix include -DKBUILD_BASENAME=cpufreq 
-DEXPORT_SYMTAB -c cpufreq.c
In file included from
/home/rob/kernel/linux-2.4.21/include/linux/irq.h:69,
                 from
/home/rob/kernel/linux-2.4.21/include/asm/hardirq.h:6,
                 from
/home/rob/kernel/linux-2.4.21/include/linux/interrupt.h:46,
                 from cpufreq.c:21:
/home/rob/kernel/linux-2.4.21/include/asm/hw_irq.h: In function
`x86_do_profile':
/home/rob/kernel/linux-2.4.21/include/asm/hw_irq.h:201: `current'
undeclared (first use in this function)
/home/rob/kernel/linux-2.4.21/include/asm/hw_irq.h:201: (Each undeclared
identifier is reported only once
/home/rob/kernel/linux-2.4.21/include/asm/hw_irq.h:201: for each
function it appears in.)
make[2]: *** [cpufreq.o] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/rob/kernel/linux-2.4.21/kernel'
make[1]: *** [first_rule] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/rob/kernel/linux-2.4.21/kernel'
make: *** [_dir_kernel] Error 2

I tried fudging around with the files and lines mentioned, but didn't
get anywhere except more broken...  :-)

Is my system borked?  :-)

I understand the -ac sources contain the cpufreq patch already... do
y'all know if I will be able to apply preemptive multitasking, low
latency scheduling, ntfs, and acpi patches I want to add in there?  They
aren't in the test ran above, FWIW.

Rob  :-)

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* Re: 2.4.21 Isn't working for me....
  2003-08-26  6:47 ` Ducrot Bruno
  2003-08-26  9:26   ` Toula Michael
@ 2003-08-26 19:43   ` AthlonRob
  2003-08-26 22:47     ` Luciano Miguel Ferreira Rocha
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: AthlonRob @ 2003-08-26 19:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: cpufreq

On Mon, 2003-08-25 at 23:47, Ducrot Bruno wrote:

> The latest is again 2.4.22, _not_ 2.4.21.

That's the latest from the kernel.org repository, right?  the ones with
filenames like cpufreq-LINUX_2_4-20030825.tar.gz?

The codemonkeys ones, with filenames like cpufreq-2.4.21-1.gz are
against 2.4.21... right?  :-)

I would go ahead and just upgrade to 2.4.22, except I really need (ok, I
don't need, I just really want) preempt, low-latency scheduling, and the
latest NTFS drivers in this kernel... and 2.4.22 is still too new for
any of those to be available.  :-(

I suppose I could survive without cpu frequency scaling... but the
project looks *way super cool* to me.  :-)

Rob

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* Re: 2.4.21 Isn't working for me....
  2003-08-26 19:43   ` AthlonRob
@ 2003-08-26 22:47     ` Luciano Miguel Ferreira Rocha
  2003-08-27 11:11       ` Ducrot Bruno
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Luciano Miguel Ferreira Rocha @ 2003-08-26 22:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: AthlonRob; +Cc: cpufreq

On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 12:43:47PM -0700, AthlonRob wrote:
> On Mon, 2003-08-25 at 23:47, Ducrot Bruno wrote:
> 
> > The latest is again 2.4.22, _not_ 2.4.21.
> 
> That's the latest from the kernel.org repository, right?  the ones with
> filenames like cpufreq-LINUX_2_4-20030825.tar.gz?
> 
> The codemonkeys ones, with filenames like cpufreq-2.4.21-1.gz are
> against 2.4.21... right?  :-)
> 
> I would go ahead and just upgrade to 2.4.22, except I really need (ok, I
> don't need, I just really want) preempt, low-latency scheduling, and the
> latest NTFS drivers in this kernel... and 2.4.22 is still too new for
> any of those to be available.  :-(

On http://www.gotontheinter.net/exoops/modules/mydownloads/
there's a patch with all that, plus cpufreq (I don't know which version),
for kernel 2.4.22. Plus supermount, etc.

Actually, I don't know about the NTFS driver, but, as with everything else,
really, 2.4.22 doesn't change that much and the patches for 2.4.21 would
probably work with few rejects, correctable by hand.

I've been using that kernel, but can't get swsusp to work correctly and
cpufreq doesn't work that well with my chipset, anyhow, (it's a 440BX,)
so test it throughly.

Regards,
Luciano Rocha

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* Re: 2.4.21 Isn't working for me....
  2003-08-26 22:47     ` Luciano Miguel Ferreira Rocha
@ 2003-08-27 11:11       ` Ducrot Bruno
  2003-08-27 14:29         ` Luciano Miguel Ferreira Rocha
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Ducrot Bruno @ 2003-08-27 11:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Luciano Miguel Ferreira Rocha; +Cc: cpufreq, AthlonRob

> I've been using that kernel, but can't get swsusp to work correctly and
> cpufreq doesn't work that well with my chipset, anyhow, (it's a 440BX,)
> so test it throughly.

What is the trouble with the 440BX?


-- 
Ducrot Bruno

--  Which is worse:  ignorance or apathy?
--  Don't know.  Don't care.

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* Re: 2.4.21 Isn't working for me....
  2003-08-26 19:41 ` AthlonRob
@ 2003-08-27 12:31   ` Ducrot Bruno
  2003-08-27 15:55   ` Ducrot Bruno
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Ducrot Bruno @ 2003-08-27 12:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: AthlonRob; +Cc: cpufreq

On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 12:41:50PM -0700, AthlonRob wrote:
> On Mon, 2003-08-25 at 21:36, AthlonRob wrote:
>  
> > I'm trying to get some cpu frequency control over my laptop's CPU with
> > the 2.4.21 kernel.  I'd just jump to 2.6.0-test4, but have a few pieces
> > of hardware that don't have drivers available for the test kernel yet.
> 
> I just found http://www.codemonkey.org.uk/projects/cpufreq/ in the
> archives and gave the two patches listed there a shot.
> 
> -1 and -2.
> 

Can you reproduce with latest cpufreq and 2.4.22?

-- 
Ducrot Bruno

--  Which is worse:  ignorance or apathy?
--  Don't know.  Don't care.

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* Re: 2.4.21 Isn't working for me....
  2003-08-27 11:11       ` Ducrot Bruno
@ 2003-08-27 14:29         ` Luciano Miguel Ferreira Rocha
  2003-08-27 14:39           ` Ducrot Bruno
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Luciano Miguel Ferreira Rocha @ 2003-08-27 14:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Ducrot Bruno; +Cc: cpufreq, AthlonRob

On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 01:11:33PM +0200, Ducrot Bruno wrote:
> > I've been using that kernel, but can't get swsusp to work correctly and
> > cpufreq doesn't work that well with my chipset, anyhow, (it's a 440BX,)
> > so test it throughly.
> 
> What is the trouble with the 440BX?

Well, it's a lousy chipset, cpufreq wise.

I had it working with your help some time in the past, using a speedstep.c
and playing with the GPO.

But that driver doesn't have the same interface as normal cpufreq and then
2.4.21 merged parts of the AC tree that makes my processor frequency very
dynamic, so I end up not using it much.

But I tried the CVS version of cpufreq, but it still doesn't work.
As it is, it doesn't have a speedstep.c, only a speedstep-ich, that
fails to insert:
cpufreq: Intel(R) SpeedStep(TM) for this chipset not (yet) available.

The speedstep.c available on http://www.poupinou.org/cpufreq/index.html
also fails to insert:
speedstep.o: unresolved symbol cpufreq_setfunctions
speedstep.o: unresolved symbol cpufreq_init

Regards,
Luciano Rocha

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* Re: 2.4.21 Isn't working for me....
  2003-08-27 14:29         ` Luciano Miguel Ferreira Rocha
@ 2003-08-27 14:39           ` Ducrot Bruno
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Ducrot Bruno @ 2003-08-27 14:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Luciano Miguel Ferreira Rocha; +Cc: cpufreq, AthlonRob

On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 03:29:08PM +0100, Luciano Miguel Ferreira Rocha wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 01:11:33PM +0200, Ducrot Bruno wrote:
> > > I've been using that kernel, but can't get swsusp to work correctly and
> > > cpufreq doesn't work that well with my chipset, anyhow, (it's a 440BX,)
> > > so test it throughly.
> > 
> > What is the trouble with the 440BX?
> 
> Well, it's a lousy chipset, cpufreq wise.
> 
> I had it working with your help some time in the past, using a speedstep.c
> and playing with the GPO.
> 
> But that driver doesn't have the same interface as normal cpufreq and then
> 2.4.21 merged parts of the AC tree that makes my processor frequency very
> dynamic, so I end up not using it much.
> 
> But I tried the CVS version of cpufreq, but it still doesn't work.
> As it is, it doesn't have a speedstep.c, only a speedstep-ich, that
> fails to insert:
> cpufreq: Intel(R) SpeedStep(TM) for this chipset not (yet) available.

Oops, correct.  I forgot that one.  Sorry.
Should happens today.

-- 
Ducrot Bruno

--  Which is worse:  ignorance or apathy?
--  Don't know.  Don't care.

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* Re: 2.4.21 Isn't working for me....
  2003-08-26 19:41 ` AthlonRob
  2003-08-27 12:31   ` Ducrot Bruno
@ 2003-08-27 15:55   ` Ducrot Bruno
  2003-08-27 20:30     ` AthlonRob
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Ducrot Bruno @ 2003-08-27 15:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: AthlonRob; +Cc: cpufreq

On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 12:41:50PM -0700, AthlonRob wrote:
> On Mon, 2003-08-25 at 21:36, AthlonRob wrote:
>  
> > I'm trying to get some cpu frequency control over my laptop's CPU with
> > the 2.4.21 kernel.  I'd just jump to 2.6.0-test4, but have a few pieces
> > of hardware that don't have drivers available for the test kernel yet.
> 
> I just found http://www.codemonkey.org.uk/projects/cpufreq/ in the
> archives and gave the two patches listed there a shot.
> 

Try this:

--- linux/drivers/cpufreq/userspace.c	25 Aug 2003 14:58:47 -0000	1.1.1.1
+++ linux/drivers/cpufreq/userspace.c	27 Aug 2003 15:51:42 -0000
@@ -17,9 +17,9 @@
 #include <linux/smp.h>
 #include <linux/init.h>
 #include <linux/spinlock.h>
+#include <linux/cpufreq.h>
 #include <linux/interrupt.h>
 #include <linux/ctype.h>
-#include <linux/cpufreq.h>
 #include <linux/sysctl.h>
 #include <linux/types.h>
 #include <linux/fs.h>
diff -u -a -r1.1.1.2 cpufreq.h
--- linux/include/linux/cpufreq.h	25 Aug 2003 14:58:47 -0000	1.1.1.2
+++ linux/include/linux/cpufreq.h	27 Aug 2003 15:51:42 -0000
@@ -16,6 +16,7 @@
 
 #include <linux/config.h>
 #include <linux/notifier.h>
+#include <linux/sched.h>
 #include <linux/threads.h>
 #include <asm/semaphore.h>
 

-- 
Ducrot Bruno

--  Which is worse:  ignorance or apathy?
--  Don't know.  Don't care.

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* Re: 2.4.21 Isn't working for me....
  2003-08-27 15:55   ` Ducrot Bruno
@ 2003-08-27 20:30     ` AthlonRob
  2003-08-28  9:34       ` Ducrot Bruno
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: AthlonRob @ 2003-08-27 20:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: cpufreq

On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 08:55, Ducrot Bruno wrote:

> Try this:
> 
> --- linux/drivers/cpufreq/userspace.c	25 Aug 2003 14:58:47 -0000	1.1.1.1
> +++ linux/drivers/cpufreq/userspace.c	27 Aug 2003 15:51:42 -0000

It compiled like a charm....

I haven't actually tested it yet, though, to see if it actually worked. 
:-)

Thanks!

Rob

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* Re: 2.4.21 Isn't working for me....
  2003-08-27 20:30     ` AthlonRob
@ 2003-08-28  9:34       ` Ducrot Bruno
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Ducrot Bruno @ 2003-08-28  9:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: AthlonRob; +Cc: cpufreq

On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 01:30:25PM -0700, AthlonRob wrote:
> On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 08:55, Ducrot Bruno wrote:
> 
> > Try this:
> > 
> > --- linux/drivers/cpufreq/userspace.c	25 Aug 2003 14:58:47 -0000	1.1.1.1
> > +++ linux/drivers/cpufreq/userspace.c	27 Aug 2003 15:51:42 -0000
> 
> It compiled like a charm....
> 
> I haven't actually tested it yet, though, to see if it actually worked. 
> :-)
> 

I can't tell you so much.  You are using preempt and low-latency in
a SMP box, btw?  If really you need SMP, I can't tell you it will
be OK, just that you may have some dead lock unless you get the latest
one (which is not yet released completely for 2.4 tree).  Therefore,
it may be usefull if you compile with spinlock debug.

-- 
Ducrot Bruno

--  Which is worse:  ignorance or apathy?
--  Don't know.  Don't care.

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2003-08-26  9:53     ` Bas Mevissen
2003-08-26 11:29       ` Ducrot Bruno
2003-08-26 19:43   ` AthlonRob
2003-08-26 22:47     ` Luciano Miguel Ferreira Rocha
2003-08-27 11:11       ` Ducrot Bruno
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2003-08-27 14:39           ` Ducrot Bruno
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