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From: Dave Hansen <haveblue@us.ibm.com>
To: Sourav Sen <souravs@india.hp.com>
Cc: "HELGAAS,BJORN (HP-Ft. Collins)" <bjorn_helgaas@am.exch.hp.com>,
	'Matt Domsch' <Matt_Domsch@dell.com>,
	Matthew E Tolentino <matthew.e.tolentino@intel.com>,
	linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	tony.luck@intel.com
Subject: RE: [2.6.6 PATCH] Exposing EFI memory map
Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 16:49:43 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1083862182.2811.266.camel@nighthawk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <004f01c43386$c3301900$39624c0f@india.hp.com>

On Thu, 2004-05-06 at 09:25, Sourav Sen wrote:
> From: Bjorn Helgaas [mailto:bjorn.helgaas@hp.com]
> + For this application, the EFI memory map isn't what you want.
> + It's a pretty good approximation today, but the day when we'll
> + be able to hot-add memory is fast approaching, and the EFI map
> + won't mention anything added after boot.  We'll discover all
> + that via ACPI (on ia64).
>
> 	Why not also update the efi memory table on a hotplug :-)

That's actually what ppc64 does.  But, they do it via /proc (not even
from inside the kernel).  I'm not very fond of that solution :)

> (Now also it gets modified a little on a call to efi_memmap_walk()).
> Otherwise clients of efi_memmap_walk() will also get stale 
> information after a hotplug, isn't it (assuming they want to
> know about available physical ranges)?

We'll probably end up having to lock down hotplug around the time that
someone *needs* persistent information about memory layout from
userspace.  Think crashdump...

> Also, kernel may not exactly use all the memory added via hotplug

That's a good point.  Some of the happy consumers of this should be
things like crashdump and kexec.  They might want a choice to either
dump only the memory that Linux is currently using, or to know about all
of the memory that is present.  

>  and there may be some truncation (just as efi_memmap_walk()
> does today). And it isn't help us if we get to know about those
> extents. Additionally we get to know about various mmio ranges and
> other ranges thru that table -- may be useful opportunistically.

There can be some pretty generic (although asynchronous) events given
via /sbin/hotplug.  I'm currently planning on having the memory hotplug
"drivers" get the hot-added memory ready, but keep it offline.  It then
creates some kobjects, which generate hotplug events, and *then* the
decision can be made in the hotplug scripts about what to do with it.

-- Dave


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From: Dave Hansen <haveblue@us.ibm.com>
To: Sourav Sen <souravs@india.hp.com>
Cc: "HELGAAS,BJORN (HP-Ft. Collins)" <bjorn_helgaas@am.exch.hp.com>,
	"'Matt Domsch'" <Matt_Domsch@dell.com>,
	Matthew E Tolentino <matthew.e.tolentino@intel.com>,
	linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	tony.luck@intel.com
Subject: RE: [2.6.6 PATCH] Exposing EFI memory map
Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 09:49:43 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1083862182.2811.266.camel@nighthawk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <004f01c43386$c3301900$39624c0f@india.hp.com>

On Thu, 2004-05-06 at 09:25, Sourav Sen wrote:
> From: Bjorn Helgaas [mailto:bjorn.helgaas@hp.com]
> + For this application, the EFI memory map isn't what you want.
> + It's a pretty good approximation today, but the day when we'll
> + be able to hot-add memory is fast approaching, and the EFI map
> + won't mention anything added after boot.  We'll discover all
> + that via ACPI (on ia64).
>
> 	Why not also update the efi memory table on a hotplug :-)

That's actually what ppc64 does.  But, they do it via /proc (not even
from inside the kernel).  I'm not very fond of that solution :)

> (Now also it gets modified a little on a call to efi_memmap_walk()).
> Otherwise clients of efi_memmap_walk() will also get stale 
> information after a hotplug, isn't it (assuming they want to
> know about available physical ranges)?

We'll probably end up having to lock down hotplug around the time that
someone *needs* persistent information about memory layout from
userspace.  Think crashdump...

> Also, kernel may not exactly use all the memory added via hotplug

That's a good point.  Some of the happy consumers of this should be
things like crashdump and kexec.  They might want a choice to either
dump only the memory that Linux is currently using, or to know about all
of the memory that is present.  

>  and there may be some truncation (just as efi_memmap_walk()
> does today). And it isn't help us if we get to know about those
> extents. Additionally we get to know about various mmio ranges and
> other ranges thru that table -- may be useful opportunistically.

There can be some pretty generic (although asynchronous) events given
via /sbin/hotplug.  I'm currently planning on having the memory hotplug
"drivers" get the hot-added memory ready, but keep it offline.  It then
creates some kobjects, which generate hotplug events, and *then* the
decision can be made in the hotplug scripts about what to do with it.

-- Dave


  reply	other threads:[~2004-05-06 16:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-05-06  8:52 [2.6.6 PATCH] Exposing EFI memory map Sourav Sen
2004-05-06  8:53 ` Sourav Sen
2004-05-06 10:44 ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-05-06 10:44   ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-05-06 11:59   ` Matthew Wilcox
2004-05-06 11:59     ` Matthew Wilcox
2004-05-06 12:18     ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-05-06 12:18       ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-05-06 13:27       ` Matthew Wilcox
2004-05-06 13:27         ` Matthew Wilcox
2004-05-06 14:00         ` Dave Hansen
2004-05-06 14:00           ` Dave Hansen
2004-05-06 14:09           ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-05-06 14:09             ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-05-06 14:09     ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-05-06 14:09       ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-05-06 12:46 ` Matt Domsch
2004-05-06 12:46   ` Matt Domsch
2004-05-06 13:20   ` Sourav Sen
2004-05-06 13:32     ` Sourav Sen
2004-05-06 15:08     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2004-05-06 15:08       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2004-05-06 16:25       ` Sourav Sen
2004-05-06 16:37         ` Sourav Sen
2004-05-06 16:49         ` Dave Hansen [this message]
2004-05-06 16:49           ` Dave Hansen
2004-05-06 13:23 ` Luck, Tony
2004-05-06 13:23   ` Luck, Tony
2004-05-06 16:14 ` Tolentino, Matthew E
2004-05-06 16:14   ` Tolentino, Matthew E
2004-05-06 16:40 ` Greg KH
2004-05-06 16:40   ` Greg KH
2004-05-07  9:45   ` Sourav Sen
2004-05-07  9:57     ` Sourav Sen
2004-05-07 21:49     ` Greg KH
2004-05-07 21:49       ` Greg KH
2004-05-11 14:44       ` Sourav Sen
2004-05-11 14:56         ` Sourav Sen
2004-05-11 15:42         ` Dave Hansen
2004-05-11 15:42           ` Dave Hansen
2004-05-12 10:24           ` Sourav Sen
2004-05-12 10:36             ` Sourav Sen
2004-05-12 16:15             ` Dave Hansen
2004-05-12 16:15               ` Dave Hansen
2004-05-13 14:10               ` Sourav Sen
2004-05-13 14:22                 ` Sourav Sen
2004-05-13 15:32                 ` Dave Hansen
2004-05-13 15:32                   ` Dave Hansen
2004-05-06 18:47 ` Tolentino, Matthew E
2004-05-06 18:47   ` Tolentino, Matthew E
2004-05-06 18:57   ` Dave Hansen
2004-05-06 18:57     ` Dave Hansen
2004-05-06 20:54 ` Tolentino, Matthew E
2004-05-06 20:54   ` Tolentino, Matthew E
2004-05-06 21:44   ` [Lhms-devel] " Dave Hansen
2004-05-06 21:44     ` Dave Hansen
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-05-06  9:18 Sourav Sen
2004-05-06  9:30 ` Sourav Sen

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