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From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@redhat.com>,
	raybry@sgi.com, ak@muc.de, manfred@colorfullife.com,
	linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org,
	Linux Kernel list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	vrajesh@umich.edu, hugh@veritas.com
Subject: Re: page fault scalability patch final : i386 tested, x86_64
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 23:09:25 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1094080164.4025.17.camel@gaston> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0409010938200.9907@schroedinger.engr.sgi.com>

On Thu, 2004-09-02 at 02:43, Christoph Lameter wrote:

> This would limit the time that the page_table_lock is held to a minimum
> and may still offer some of the performance improvements.
> 
> Would that be acceptable?

Not sure... You probably want to have the set_pte and the later flush_*
in the same lock to maintain expected semantics with those platforms...

It's not that a simple issue. I have ways to do sort-of lock-less by
using my PAGE_BUSY lock bit in the PTE instead on ppc64 and I think
doing that properly would result in almost no overhead over what we have
now, so I'm still interested. ppc32 would have to take a global
spinlock, but that's fine as we aren't looking for scalability on this
arch.

So while I like your idea, I think it needs a bit more thinking & work
on some platforms. David wrote about potential issues on sparc64, and I
wonder if it would be worth re-thinking some of the pte invalidation
semantics a bit (pushing more logic into set-pte, that is making it
higher level, rather than having the common code split changing of PTEs
and invalidations, with eventually some beign/end semantics for batches)

BTW. We should get David's patch in first thing before tackling with
this complicated issue (the one adding mm & addr to set_pte & friends).

Ben.



WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@redhat.com>,
	raybry@sgi.com, ak@muc.de, manfred@colorfullife.com,
	linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org,
	Linux Kernel list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	vrajesh@umich.edu, hugh@veritas.com
Subject: Re: page fault scalability patch final : i386 tested, x86_64 support added
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 09:09:25 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1094080164.4025.17.camel@gaston> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0409010938200.9907@schroedinger.engr.sgi.com>

On Thu, 2004-09-02 at 02:43, Christoph Lameter wrote:

> This would limit the time that the page_table_lock is held to a minimum
> and may still offer some of the performance improvements.
> 
> Would that be acceptable?

Not sure... You probably want to have the set_pte and the later flush_*
in the same lock to maintain expected semantics with those platforms...

It's not that a simple issue. I have ways to do sort-of lock-less by
using my PAGE_BUSY lock bit in the PTE instead on ppc64 and I think
doing that properly would result in almost no overhead over what we have
now, so I'm still interested. ppc32 would have to take a global
spinlock, but that's fine as we aren't looking for scalability on this
arch.

So while I like your idea, I think it needs a bit more thinking & work
on some platforms. David wrote about potential issues on sparc64, and I
wonder if it would be worth re-thinking some of the pte invalidation
semantics a bit (pushing more logic into set-pte, that is making it
higher level, rather than having the common code split changing of PTEs
and invalidations, with eventually some beign/end semantics for batches)

BTW. We should get David's patch in first thing before tackling with
this complicated issue (the one adding mm & addr to set_pte & friends).

Ben.



  reply	other threads:[~2004-09-01 23:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 195+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-08-15 13:50 page fault fastpath: Increasing SMP scalability by introducing pte Christoph Lameter
2004-08-15 13:50 ` page fault fastpath: Increasing SMP scalability by introducing pte locks? Christoph Lameter
2004-08-15 20:09 ` page fault fastpath: Increasing SMP scalability by introducing David S. Miller
2004-08-15 20:09   ` page fault fastpath: Increasing SMP scalability by introducing pte locks? David S. Miller
2004-08-15 22:58   ` page fault fastpath: Increasing SMP scalability by introducing Christoph Lameter
2004-08-15 22:58     ` page fault fastpath: Increasing SMP scalability by introducing pte locks? Christoph Lameter
2004-08-15 23:58     ` page fault fastpath: Increasing SMP scalability by introducing David S. Miller
2004-08-15 23:58       ` page fault fastpath: Increasing SMP scalability by introducing pte locks? David S. Miller
2004-08-16  0:11       ` page fault fastpath: Increasing SMP scalability by introducing Christoph Lameter
2004-08-16  0:11         ` page fault fastpath: Increasing SMP scalability by introducing pte locks? Christoph Lameter
2004-08-16  1:56         ` page fault fastpath: Increasing SMP scalability by introducing David S. Miller
2004-08-16  1:56           ` page fault fastpath: Increasing SMP scalability by introducing pte locks? David S. Miller
2004-08-16  3:29           ` page fault fastpath: Increasing SMP scalability by introducing Christoph Lameter
2004-08-16  3:29             ` page fault fastpath: Increasing SMP scalability by introducing pte locks? Christoph Lameter
2004-08-16  6:59             ` page fault fastpath: Increasing SMP scalability by introducing Ray Bryant
2004-08-16  7:00               ` page fault fastpath: Increasing SMP scalability by introducing pte locks? Ray Bryant
2004-08-16 15:18               ` page fault fastpath: Increasing SMP scalability by introducing Christoph Lameter
2004-08-16 15:18                 ` page fault fastpath: Increasing SMP scalability by introducing pte locks? Christoph Lameter
2004-08-16 16:18                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-08-16 16:18                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-08-16 14:39             ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-08-16 14:39               ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-08-17 15:28               ` page fault fastpath patch v2: fix race conditions, stats for 8,32 Christoph Lameter
2004-08-17 15:28                 ` page fault fastpath patch v2: fix race conditions, stats for 8,32 and 512 cpu SMP Christoph Lameter
2004-08-17 15:37                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-08-17 15:37                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-08-17 15:51                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-08-17 15:51                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-08-18 17:55                 ` page fault fastpath patch v2: fix race conditions, stats for 8,32 Hugh Dickins
2004-08-18 17:55                   ` page fault fastpath patch v2: fix race conditions, stats for 8,32 and 512 cpu SMP Hugh Dickins
2004-08-18 20:20                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-08-18 20:20                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-08-19  1:19                   ` page fault fastpath patch v2: fix race conditions, stats for Christoph Lameter
2004-08-19  1:19                     ` page fault fastpath patch v2: fix race conditions, stats for 8,32 and 512 cpu SMP Christoph Lameter
     [not found]               ` <B6E8046E1E28D34EB815A11AC8CA3129027B679F@mtv-atc-605e--n.corp.sgi.com>
2004-08-24  4:43                 ` page fault scalability patch v3: use cmpxchg, make rss atomic Christoph Lameter
2004-08-24  4:43                   ` Christoph Lameter
2004-08-24  5:49                   ` Christoph Lameter
2004-08-24  5:49                     ` Christoph Lameter
2004-08-24 12:34                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2004-08-24 12:34                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2004-08-24 14:47                       ` Christoph Lameter
2004-08-24 14:47                         ` Christoph Lameter
     [not found]                 ` <B6E8046E1E28D34EB815A11AC8CA3129027B67A9@mtv-atc-605e--n.corp.sgi.com>
2004-08-26 15:20                   ` page fault scalability patch v4: reduce page_table_lock use, atomic Christoph Lameter
2004-08-26 15:20                     ` page fault scalability patch v4: reduce page_table_lock use, atomic pmd,pgd handlin Christoph Lameter
     [not found]                   ` <B6E8046E1E28D34EB815A11AC8CA3129027B67B4@mtv-atc-605e--n.corp.sgi.com>
2004-08-27 23:20                     ` page fault scalability patch final : i386 tested, x86_64 support Christoph Lameter
2004-08-27 23:20                       ` page fault scalability patch final : i386 tested, x86_64 support added Christoph Lameter
2004-08-27 23:36                       ` Andi Kleen
2004-08-27 23:36                         ` Andi Kleen
2004-08-27 23:43                         ` page fault scalability patch final : i386 tested, x86_64 David S. Miller
2004-08-27 23:43                           ` page fault scalability patch final : i386 tested, x86_64 support added David S. Miller
2004-08-28  0:19                         ` page fault scalability patch final : i386 tested, x86_64 support Christoph Lameter
2004-08-28  0:19                           ` page fault scalability patch final : i386 tested, x86_64 support added Christoph Lameter
2004-08-28  0:23                           ` page fault scalability patch final : i386 tested, x86_64 David S. Miller
2004-08-28  0:23                             ` page fault scalability patch final : i386 tested, x86_64 support added David S. Miller
2004-08-28  0:36                             ` page fault scalability patch final : i386 tested, x86_64 Andrew Morton
2004-08-28  0:36                               ` page fault scalability patch final : i386 tested, x86_64 support added Andrew Morton
2004-08-28  0:40                               ` page fault scalability patch final : i386 tested, x86_64 David S. Miller
2004-08-28  0:40                                 ` page fault scalability patch final : i386 tested, x86_64 support added David S. Miller
2004-08-28  1:05                                 ` Andi Kleen
2004-08-28  1:05                                   ` Andi Kleen
2004-08-28  1:11                                   ` page fault scalability patch final : i386 tested, x86_64 David S. Miller
2004-08-28  1:11                                     ` page fault scalability patch final : i386 tested, x86_64 support added David S. Miller
2004-08-28  1:17                                     ` Andi Kleen
2004-08-28  1:17                                       ` Andi Kleen
2004-08-28  1:02                               ` Andi Kleen
2004-08-28  1:02                                 ` Andi Kleen
2004-08-28  1:39                                 ` page fault scalability patch final : i386 tested, x86_64 Andrew Morton
2004-08-28  1:39                                   ` page fault scalability patch final : i386 tested, x86_64 support added Andrew Morton
2004-08-28  2:08                                   ` page fault scalability patch final : i386 tested, x86_64 Paul Mackerras
2004-08-28  2:08                                     ` page fault scalability patch final : i386 tested, x86_64 support added Paul Mackerras
2004-08-28  3:32                                     ` page fault scalability patch final : i386 tested, x86_64 support Christoph Lameter
2004-08-28  3:32                                       ` page fault scalability patch final : i386 tested, x86_64 support added Christoph Lameter
2004-08-28  3:42                                       ` page fault scalability patch final : i386 tested, x86_64 Andrew Morton
2004-08-28  3:42                                         ` page fault scalability patch final : i386 tested, x86_64 support added Andrew Morton
2004-08-28  4:24                                         ` page fault scalability patch final : i386 tested, x86_64 support Christoph Lameter
2004-08-28  4:24                                           ` page fault scalability patch final : i386 tested, x86_64 support added Christoph Lameter
2004-08-28  5:39                                           ` page fault scalability patch final : i386 tested, x86_64 Andrew Morton
2004-08-28  5:39                                             ` page fault scalability patch final : i386 tested, x86_64 support added Andrew Morton
2004-08-28  5:58                                             ` page fault scalability patch final : i386 tested, x86_64 support Christoph Lameter
2004-08-28  5:58                                               ` page fault scalability patch final : i386 tested, x86_64 support added Christoph Lameter
2004-08-28  6:03                                               ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-08-28  6:03                                                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-08-28  6:06                                               ` page fault scalability patch final : i386 tested, x86_64 Andrew Morton
2004-08-28  6:06                                                 ` page fault scalability patch final : i386 tested, x86_64 support added Andrew Morton
2004-08-30 17:02                                                 ` Herbert Poetzl
2004-08-30 17:02                                                   ` Herbert Poetzl
2004-08-30 17:05                                                   ` Andi Kleen
2004-08-30 17:05                                                     ` Andi Kleen
2004-08-28 13:19                                             ` page fault scalability patch final : i386 tested, x86_64 Andi Kleen
2004-08-28 13:19                                               ` page fault scalability patch final : i386 tested, x86_64 support added Andi Kleen
2004-08-28 15:48                                             ` Matt Mackall
2004-08-28 15:48                                               ` Matt Mackall
2004-09-01  4:13                                             ` page fault scalability patch final : i386 tested, x86_64 Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-09-01  4:13                                               ` page fault scalability patch final : i386 tested, x86_64 support added Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-09-02 21:26                                               ` Andi Kleen
2004-09-02 21:26                                                 ` Andi Kleen
2004-09-02 21:55                                                 ` page fault scalability patch final : i386 tested, x86_64 David S. Miller
2004-09-02 21:55                                                   ` page fault scalability patch final : i386 tested, x86_64 support added David S. Miller
2004-09-01 18:03                                             ` Matthew Wilcox
2004-09-01 18:19                                               ` Andrew Morton
2004-09-01 19:06                                                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-08-28 21:41                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2004-08-28 21:41                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2004-09-01  4:24                       ` page fault scalability patch final : i386 tested, x86_64 Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-09-01  4:24                         ` page fault scalability patch final : i386 tested, x86_64 support added Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-09-01  5:22                         ` page fault scalability patch final : i386 tested, x86_64 David S. Miller
2004-09-01  5:22                           ` page fault scalability patch final : i386 tested, x86_64 support added David S. Miller
2004-09-01 16:43                         ` page fault scalability patch final : i386 tested, x86_64 support Christoph Lameter
2004-09-01 16:43                           ` page fault scalability patch final : i386 tested, x86_64 support added Christoph Lameter
2004-09-01 23:09                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt [this message]
2004-09-01 23:09                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
     [not found]                             ` <Pine.LNX.4.58.0409012140440.23186@schroedinger.engr.sgi.com>
     [not found]                               ` <20040901215741.3538bbf4.davem@davemloft.net>
2004-09-02  5:18                                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-09-02  5:18                                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-09-09 15:38                                   ` page fault scalability patch: V7 (+fallback for atomic page table Christoph Lameter
2004-09-09 15:38                                     ` page fault scalability patch: V7 (+fallback for atomic page table ops) Christoph Lameter
2004-09-02 16:24                                 ` page fault scalability patch final : i386 tested, x86_64 support Christoph Lameter
2004-09-02 16:24                                   ` page fault scalability patch final : i386 tested, x86_64 support added Christoph Lameter
2004-09-02 20:10                                   ` page fault scalability patch final : i386 tested, x86_64 David S. Miller
2004-09-02 20:10                                     ` page fault scalability patch final : i386 tested, x86_64 support added David S. Miller
2004-09-02 21:02                                     ` page fault scalability patch final : i386 tested, x86_64 support Christoph Lameter
2004-09-02 21:02                                       ` page fault scalability patch final : i386 tested, x86_64 support added Christoph Lameter
2004-09-02 21:07                                       ` page fault scalability patch final : i386 tested, x86_64 David S. Miller
2004-09-02 21:07                                         ` page fault scalability patch final : i386 tested, x86_64 support added David S. Miller
2004-09-18 23:23                                         ` page fault scalability patch V8: [0/7] Description Christoph Lameter
2004-09-18 23:23                                           ` Christoph Lameter
     [not found]                                         ` <B6E8046E1E28D34EB815A11AC8CA312902CD3243@mtv-atc-605e--n.corp.sgi.com>
2004-09-18 23:24                                           ` page fault scalability patch V8: [1/7] make mm->rss atomic Christoph Lameter
2004-09-18 23:24                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2004-09-18 23:26                                           ` page fault scalability patch V8: [2/7] avoid page_table_lock in Christoph Lameter
2004-09-18 23:26                                             ` page fault scalability patch V8: [2/7] avoid page_table_lock in handle_mm_fault Christoph Lameter
2004-09-19  9:04                                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-09-19  9:04                                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-09-18 23:27                                           ` page fault scalability patch V8: [3/7] atomic pte operations for Christoph Lameter
2004-09-18 23:27                                             ` page fault scalability patch V8: [3/7] atomic pte operations for ia64 Christoph Lameter
2004-09-18 23:28                                           ` page fault scalability patch V8: [4/7] universally available cmpxchg Christoph Lameter
2004-09-18 23:28                                             ` page fault scalability patch V8: [4/7] universally available cmpxchg on i386 Christoph Lameter
     [not found]                                             ` <200409191430.37444.vda@port.imtp.ilyichevsk.odessa.ua>
2004-09-19 12:11                                               ` Andi Kleen
2004-09-19 12:11                                                 ` Andi Kleen
2004-09-20 15:45                                               ` page fault scalability patch V8: [4/7] universally available Christoph Lameter
2004-09-20 15:45                                                 ` page fault scalability patch V8: [4/7] universally available cmpxchg on i386 Christoph Lameter
     [not found]                                                 ` <200409202043.00580.vda@port.imtp.ilyichevsk.odessa.ua>
2004-09-20 20:49                                                   ` page fault scalability patch V8: [4/7] universally available Christoph Lameter
2004-09-20 20:49                                                     ` page fault scalability patch V8: [4/7] universally available cmpxchg on i386 Christoph Lameter
2004-09-20 20:57                                                     ` Andi Kleen
2004-09-20 20:57                                                       ` Andi Kleen
     [not found]                                                       ` <200409211841.25507.vda@port.imtp.ilyichevsk.odessa.ua>
2004-09-21 15:45                                                         ` Andi Kleen
2004-09-21 15:45                                                           ` Andi Kleen
     [not found]                                                           ` <200409212306.38800.vda@port.imtp.ilyichevsk.odessa.ua>
2004-09-21 20:14                                                             ` Andi Kleen
2004-09-21 20:14                                                               ` Andi Kleen
2004-09-23  7:17                                                           ` page fault scalability patch V8: [4/7] universally available Andy Lutomirski
2004-09-23  7:17                                                             ` page fault scalability patch V8: [4/7] universally available cmpxchg on i386 Andy Lutomirski
2004-09-23  9:03                                                             ` Andi Kleen
2004-09-23  9:03                                                               ` Andi Kleen
2004-09-27 19:06                                                               ` page fault scalability patch V9: [0/7] overview Christoph Lameter
2004-10-15 19:02                                                                 ` page fault scalability patch V10: " Christoph Lameter
2004-10-15 19:02                                                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2004-10-15 19:03                                                                   ` page fault scalability patch V10: [1/7] make rss atomic Christoph Lameter
2004-10-15 19:03                                                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2004-10-15 19:04                                                                   ` page fault scalability patch V10: [2/7] defer/omit taking page_table_lock Christoph Lameter
2004-10-15 19:04                                                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2004-10-15 20:00                                                                     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-10-15 20:00                                                                       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-10-18 15:59                                                                       ` page fault scalability patch V10: [2/7] defer/omit taking Christoph Lameter
2004-10-18 15:59                                                                         ` page fault scalability patch V10: [2/7] defer/omit taking page_table_lock Christoph Lameter
2004-10-19  5:25                                                                       ` [revised] page fault scalability patch V10: [2/7] defer/omit taking Christoph Lameter
2004-10-19  5:25                                                                         ` [revised] page fault scalability patch V10: [2/7] defer/omit taking page_table_lock Christoph Lameter
2004-10-15 19:05                                                                   ` page fault scalability patch V10: [3/7] IA64 atomic pte operations Christoph Lameter
2004-10-15 19:05                                                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2004-10-15 19:06                                                                   ` page fault scalability patch V10: [4/7] cmpxchg for 386 and 486 Christoph Lameter
2004-10-15 19:06                                                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2004-10-15 19:06                                                                   ` page fault scalability patch V10: [5/7] i386 atomic pte operations Christoph Lameter
2004-10-15 19:06                                                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2004-10-15 19:07                                                                   ` page fault scalability patch V10: [6/7] x86_64 " Christoph Lameter
2004-10-15 19:07                                                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2004-10-15 19:08                                                                   ` page fault scalability patch V10: [7/7] s/390 " Christoph Lameter
2004-10-15 19:08                                                                     ` Christoph Lameter
     [not found]                                                               ` <B6E8046E1E28D34EB815A11AC8CA312902CD3282@mtv-atc-605e--n.corp.sgi.com>
2004-09-27 19:07                                                                 ` page fault scalability patch V9: [1/7] make mm->rss atomic Christoph Lameter
2004-09-27 19:08                                                                 ` page fault scalability patch V9: [2/7] defer/remove page_table_lock Christoph Lameter
2004-09-27 19:10                                                                 ` page fault scalability patch V9: [3/7] atomic pte operatios for ia64 Christoph Lameter
2004-09-27 19:10                                                                 ` page fault scalability patch V9: [4/7] generally available cmpxchg on i386 Christoph Lameter
2004-09-27 19:11                                                                 ` page fault scalability patch V9: [5/7] atomic pte operations for i386 Christoph Lameter
2004-09-27 19:12                                                                 ` page fault scalability patch V9: [6/7] atomic pte operations for x86_64 Christoph Lameter
2004-09-27 19:13                                                                 ` page fault scalability patch V9: [7/7] atomic pte operatiosn for s390 Christoph Lameter
2004-09-18 23:29                                           ` page fault scalability patch V8: [5/7] atomic pte operations for Christoph Lameter
2004-09-18 23:29                                             ` page fault scalability patch V8: [5/7] atomic pte operations for i386 Christoph Lameter
2004-09-18 23:30                                           ` page fault scalability patch V8: [6/7] atomic pte operations for Christoph Lameter
2004-09-18 23:30                                             ` page fault scalability patch V8: [6/7] atomic pte operations for x86_64 Christoph Lameter
2004-09-18 23:31                                           ` page fault scalability patch V8: [7/7] atomic pte operations for Christoph Lameter
2004-09-18 23:31                                             ` page fault scalability patch V8: [7/7] atomic pte operations for s390 Christoph Lameter
     [not found]                                             ` <200409191435.09445.vda@port.imtp.ilyichevsk.odessa.ua>
2004-09-20 15:44                                               ` page fault scalability patch V8: [7/7] atomic pte operations Christoph Lameter
2004-09-20 15:44                                                 ` page fault scalability patch V8: [7/7] atomic pte operations for s390 Christoph Lameter
2004-08-15 22:38 ` page fault fastpath: Increasing SMP scalability by introducing Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-08-15 22:38   ` page fault fastpath: Increasing SMP scalability by introducing pte locks? Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-08-16 17:28   ` page fault fastpath: Increasing SMP scalability by introducing Christoph Lameter
2004-08-16 17:28     ` page fault fastpath: Increasing SMP scalability by introducing pte locks? Christoph Lameter
2004-08-17  8:01     ` page fault fastpath: Increasing SMP scalability by introducing Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-08-17  8:01       ` page fault fastpath: Increasing SMP scalability by introducing pte locks? Benjamin Herrenschmidt

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