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From: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@hp.com>
To: Dmitry Torokhov <dtor_core@ameritech.net>
Cc: acpi-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	Keshavamurthy Anil S <anil.s.keshavamurthy@intel.com>,
	"Brown, Len" <len.brown@intel.com>,
	LHNS list <lhns-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
	Linux IA64 <linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [ACPI] PATCH-ACPI based CPU hotplug[2/6]-ACPI Eject interface support
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 19:41:40 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1095730900.8780.76.camel@mythbox> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200409202020.05776.dtor_core@ameritech.net>

On Mon, 2004-09-20 at 20:20 -0500, Dmitry Torokhov wrote:
> On Monday 20 September 2004 07:52 pm, Alex Williamson wrote:
> > On Mon, 2004-09-20 at 18:12 -0500, Dmitry Torokhov wrote: 
> > > 
> > > Hi Anil,
> > > 
> > > I obviously failed to deliver my idea :) I meant that I would like add eject
> > > attribute (along with maybe status, hid and some others) to kobjects in
> > > /sys/firmware/acpi tree.
> > > 
> > 
> > Dmitry,
> > 
> >    See the patch I just posted to acpi-devel and lkml (Subject:
> > [PATCH/RFC] exposing ACPI objects in sysfs).  It exposes acpi objects as
> > you describe.   Something simple like:
> > 
> >  # cat /sys/firmware/acpi/namespace/ACPI/_SB/LSB0/_EJ0
> > 
> > Will call the _EJ0 method on the ACPI device.  You can evaluate eject
> > dependencies using the _EJD method.
> > 
> > 	Alex
> > 
> 
> Alex,
> 
> While I think that your patch is very important and should be included (maybe
> if not as is if somebody has some objections but in some other form) I see it
> more like developer's tool. I imagined status, HID, eject etc. attributes to
> be sanitized interface to kernel's data, not necessarily causing re-evaluation.
> 

Dmitry,

   I imagined the sanitized interfaces would be provided via a userspace
library, similar to how lspci provides a clean interface to all of the
PCI data.  An "lsacpi" tool could extract the information into something
more like you suggest.  If you have objects exposed as human
readable/writable files, I think you'll quickly end up with a _STA
driver, _HID driver, _CID driver, _ADR driver, _UID driver, _EJx driver,
etc, etc, etc...  I don't think we want that kind of bloat in the kernel
(that's what userspace is for ;^).  Providing a solid, direct interface
to ACPI methods in the kernel seems like the most flexible, powerful
interface IMHO.  Thanks,

	Alex

> So it could be like this:
> 
> /sys/firmware/acpi/namespace/ACPI/_SB/LSB0/status
> /sys/firmware/acpi/namespace/ACPI/_SB/LSB0/removable
> /sys/firmware/acpi/namespace/ACPI/_SB/LSB0/lockable
> ..
> /sys/firmware/acpi/namespace/ACPI/_SB/LSB0/eject
> 
> And your raw access to the ACPI methods could reside under raw:
> 
> /sys/firmware/acpi/namespace/ACPI/_SB/LSB0/raw/_STA
> /sys/firmware/acpi/namespace/ACPI/_SB/LSB0/raw/_RNV
> /sys/firmware/acpi/namespace/ACPI/_SB/LSB0/raw/_LCK
> ..
> /sys/firmware/acpi/namespace/ACPI/_SB/LSB0/raw/_EJ0



WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@hp.com>
To: Dmitry Torokhov <dtor_core@ameritech.net>
Cc: acpi-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	Keshavamurthy Anil S <anil.s.keshavamurthy@intel.com>,
	"Brown, Len" <len.brown@intel.com>,
	LHNS list <lhns-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
	Linux IA64 <linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [ACPI] PATCH-ACPI based CPU hotplug[2/6]-ACPI Eject interface
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 01:41:40 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1095730900.8780.76.camel@mythbox> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200409202020.05776.dtor_core@ameritech.net>

On Mon, 2004-09-20 at 20:20 -0500, Dmitry Torokhov wrote:
> On Monday 20 September 2004 07:52 pm, Alex Williamson wrote:
> > On Mon, 2004-09-20 at 18:12 -0500, Dmitry Torokhov wrote: 
> > > 
> > > Hi Anil,
> > > 
> > > I obviously failed to deliver my idea :) I meant that I would like add eject
> > > attribute (along with maybe status, hid and some others) to kobjects in
> > > /sys/firmware/acpi tree.
> > > 
> > 
> > Dmitry,
> > 
> >    See the patch I just posted to acpi-devel and lkml (Subject:
> > [PATCH/RFC] exposing ACPI objects in sysfs).  It exposes acpi objects as
> > you describe.   Something simple like:
> > 
> >  # cat /sys/firmware/acpi/namespace/ACPI/_SB/LSB0/_EJ0
> > 
> > Will call the _EJ0 method on the ACPI device.  You can evaluate eject
> > dependencies using the _EJD method.
> > 
> > 	Alex
> > 
> 
> Alex,
> 
> While I think that your patch is very important and should be included (maybe
> if not as is if somebody has some objections but in some other form) I see it
> more like developer's tool. I imagined status, HID, eject etc. attributes to
> be sanitized interface to kernel's data, not necessarily causing re-evaluation.
> 

Dmitry,

   I imagined the sanitized interfaces would be provided via a userspace
library, similar to how lspci provides a clean interface to all of the
PCI data.  An "lsacpi" tool could extract the information into something
more like you suggest.  If you have objects exposed as human
readable/writable files, I think you'll quickly end up with a _STA
driver, _HID driver, _CID driver, _ADR driver, _UID driver, _EJx driver,
etc, etc, etc...  I don't think we want that kind of bloat in the kernel
(that's what userspace is for ;^).  Providing a solid, direct interface
to ACPI methods in the kernel seems like the most flexible, powerful
interface IMHO.  Thanks,

	Alex

> So it could be like this:
> 
> /sys/firmware/acpi/namespace/ACPI/_SB/LSB0/status
> /sys/firmware/acpi/namespace/ACPI/_SB/LSB0/removable
> /sys/firmware/acpi/namespace/ACPI/_SB/LSB0/lockable
> ..
> /sys/firmware/acpi/namespace/ACPI/_SB/LSB0/eject
> 
> And your raw access to the ACPI methods could reside under raw:
> 
> /sys/firmware/acpi/namespace/ACPI/_SB/LSB0/raw/_STA
> /sys/firmware/acpi/namespace/ACPI/_SB/LSB0/raw/_RNV
> /sys/firmware/acpi/namespace/ACPI/_SB/LSB0/raw/_LCK
> ..
> /sys/firmware/acpi/namespace/ACPI/_SB/LSB0/raw/_EJ0



  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-09-21  1:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 153+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-09-20 16:25 PATCH-ACPI based CPU hotplug[0/6] Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-20 16:25 ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-20 16:29 ` PATCH-ACPI based CPU hotplug[0/6]-Core ACPI enhancement support Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-20 16:29   ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-20 16:34 ` PATCH-ACPI based CPU hotplug[1/6]-ACPI core " Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-20 16:34   ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
     [not found]   ` <20040920093402.C14208-39QZ/XbsZ5/mO6KZMuUCQVaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2004-09-20 18:26     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2004-09-20 19:01       ` [ACPI] " Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-20 19:01         ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-20 19:01         ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-20 20:26         ` Bjorn Helgaas
2004-09-20 20:26           ` Bjorn Helgaas
2004-09-20 20:44           ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-20 20:44             ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-24 23:22             ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-24 23:22               ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-20 16:35 ` PATCH-ACPI based CPU hotplug[2/6]-ACPI Eject interface support Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-20 16:35   ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-20 18:33   ` [ACPI] " Dmitry Torokhov
2004-09-20 18:33     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2004-09-20 19:24     ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-20 19:24       ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-20 23:12       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2004-09-20 23:12         ` Dmitry Torokhov
2004-09-21  0:52         ` Alex Williamson
2004-09-21  0:52           ` [ACPI] PATCH-ACPI based CPU hotplug[2/6]-ACPI Eject interface Alex Williamson
2004-09-21  1:20           ` [ACPI] PATCH-ACPI based CPU hotplug[2/6]-ACPI Eject interface support Dmitry Torokhov
2004-09-21  1:20             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2004-09-21  1:25             ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-21  1:25               ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-21  1:41             ` Alex Williamson [this message]
2004-09-21  1:41               ` [ACPI] PATCH-ACPI based CPU hotplug[2/6]-ACPI Eject interface Alex Williamson
2004-09-21  5:34               ` [ACPI] PATCH-ACPI based CPU hotplug[2/6]-ACPI Eject interface support Dmitry Torokhov
2004-09-21  5:34                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2004-09-21  5:34                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2004-09-21  1:38         ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-21  1:38           ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-21  5:51           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2004-09-21  5:51             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2004-09-21 21:51             ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-21 21:51               ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-21 22:23               ` [Lhns-devel] " Russ Anderson
2004-09-21 22:23                 ` Russ Anderson
2004-09-21 22:23                 ` Russ Anderson
2004-09-22  3:10               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2004-09-22  3:10                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2004-09-24 23:28         ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-24 23:28           ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-24 23:28           ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-27  6:12           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2004-09-27  6:12             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2004-09-27  6:12             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2004-09-27 16:53             ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-27 16:53               ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-27 16:53               ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-27 18:09               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2004-09-27 18:09                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2004-09-27 18:09                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2004-09-22  4:17   ` Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-22  4:17     ` [ACPI] PATCH-ACPI based CPU hotplug[2/6]-ACPI Eject interface Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-22 16:59     ` [ACPI] PATCH-ACPI based CPU hotplug[2/6]-ACPI Eject interface support Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-22 16:59       ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
     [not found] ` <20040920092520.A14208-39QZ/XbsZ5/mO6KZMuUCQVaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2004-09-20 16:38   ` PATCH-ACPI based CPU hotplug[3/6]-Mapping lsapic to cpu Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-20 16:38     ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-20 16:38     ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-22  2:10     ` [ACPI] " Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-22  2:10       ` Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-23  6:55       ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-23  6:55         ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-22 13:15     ` Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-22 13:15       ` Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-22 13:23       ` Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-22 13:23         ` Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-22 14:52       ` Alex Williamson
2004-09-22 14:52         ` Alex Williamson
2004-09-22 17:10         ` Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-22 17:10           ` Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-22 17:54           ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-22 17:54             ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-24 23:36           ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-24 23:36             ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-27 11:47             ` Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-27 11:47               ` Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-27 12:50             ` Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-27 12:50               ` Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-27 20:44               ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-27 20:44                 ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-27 20:44                 ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-20 16:41   ` PATCH-ACPI based CPU hotplug[4/6]-Dynamic cpu register/unregister support Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-20 16:41     ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-20 16:41     ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-22  8:34     ` [ACPI] " Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-22  8:34       ` [ACPI] PATCH-ACPI based CPU hotplug[4/6]-Dynamic cpu Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-22 17:10       ` [ACPI] PATCH-ACPI based CPU hotplug[4/6]-Dynamic cpu register/unregister support Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-22 17:10         ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
     [not found]       ` <20040922173400.4e717946.tokunaga.keiich-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2004-09-24 23:40         ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-24 23:40           ` [ACPI] " Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-24 23:40           ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-20 16:43   ` PATCH-ACPI based CPU hotplug[5/6]-ACPI processor driver extension Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-20 16:43     ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-20 16:43     ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-22  9:57     ` [ACPI] " Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-22  9:57       ` [ACPI] PATCH-ACPI based CPU hotplug[5/6]-ACPI processor driver Keiichiro Tokunaga
     [not found]     ` <20040920094352.G14208-39QZ/XbsZ5/mO6KZMuUCQVaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2004-09-24 23:48       ` PATCH-ACPI based CPU hotplug[5/6]-ACPI processor driver extension Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-24 23:48         ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-24 23:48         ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-20 16:47   ` PATCH-ACPI based CPU hotplug[6/6]-ACPI Container driver Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-20 16:47     ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-20 16:47     ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-23 16:23     ` [PATCH][0/4] NUMA node handling support for ACPI container driver Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-23 16:23       ` Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-23 16:31       ` [PATCH][1/4] Add unregister_node() to drivers/base/node.c Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-23 16:31         ` Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-23 16:43         ` [Lhns-devel] " Dave Hansen
2004-09-23 16:43           ` [Lhns-devel] [PATCH][1/4] Add unregister_node() to Dave Hansen
2004-09-24  3:12           ` [Lhns-devel] [PATCH][1/4] Add unregister_node() to drivers/base/node.c Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-24  3:12             ` Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-24  3:12             ` [Lhns-devel] [PATCH][1/4] Add unregister_node() to Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-27 18:52         ` [PATCH][1/4] Add unregister_node() to drivers/base/node.c Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-27 18:52           ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-28 10:19           ` Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-28 10:19             ` Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-23 16:32       ` [PATCH][2/4] Add arch_register_node() for ia64 Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-23 16:32         ` Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-23 16:32       ` [PATCH][3/4] Add hotplug support to drivers/acpi/numa.c Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-23 16:32         ` Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-27 12:58         ` Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-27 12:58           ` Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-27 20:06         ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-27 20:06           ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-29  6:26           ` Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-29  6:26             ` Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-23 16:36       ` [PATCH][4/4] Add NUMA node handling to the container driver Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-23 16:36         ` Keiichiro Tokunaga
     [not found]         ` <20040924013642.00003b08.tokunaga.keiich-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2004-09-23 22:09           ` Mika Penttilä
2004-09-23 22:09             ` Mika Penttilä
2004-09-23 22:09             ` Mika Penttilä
2004-09-24  4:44             ` Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-24  4:44               ` Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-23 16:38       ` [PATCH][0/4] NUMA node handling support for ACPI " Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-23 16:38         ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-24 23:51     ` PATCH-ACPI based CPU hotplug[6/6]-ACPI Container driver Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-24 23:51       ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-24 23:51       ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-09-21  2:30 [ACPI] PATCH-ACPI based CPU hotplug[2/6]-ACPI Eject interfacesupport Yu, Luming
2004-09-21  2:30 ` Yu, Luming
2004-09-21  2:30 ` Yu, Luming
2004-09-21  3:02 ` Alex Williamson
2004-09-21  3:02   ` [ACPI] PATCH-ACPI based CPU hotplug[2/6]-ACPI Eject Alex Williamson
2004-09-21 17:25   ` [ACPI] PATCH-ACPI based CPU hotplug[2/6]-ACPI Eject interfacesupport Theodore Ts'o
2004-09-21 17:25     ` Theodore Ts'o
2004-09-21 18:10     ` Alex Williamson
2004-09-21 18:10       ` [ACPI] PATCH-ACPI based CPU hotplug[2/6]-ACPI Eject Alex Williamson

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