From: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@hp.com>
To: Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>
Cc: "Yu, Luming" <luming.yu@intel.com>,
Dmitry Torokhov <dtor_core@ameritech.net>,
acpi-devel <acpi-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
"Keshavamurthy, Anil S" <anil.s.keshavamurthy@intel.com>,
"Brown, Len" <len.brown@intel.com>,
LHNS list <lhns-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
Linux IA64 <linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [ACPI] PATCH-ACPI based CPU hotplug[2/6]-ACPI Eject interfacesupport
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 12:10:52 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1095790252.24751.41.camel@tdi> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040921172546.GA7077@thunk.org>
On Tue, 2004-09-21 at 13:25 -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 09:02:18PM -0600, Alex Williamson wrote:
> > > But, some AML methods are risky to be called directly from user space,
> > > Not only because the side effect of its execution, but also because
> > > it could trigger potential AML method bug or interpreter bug, or even
> > > architectural defect. All of these headache is due to the AML method
> > > is NOT intended for being used by userspace program.
> >
> > I've made an attempt to hide the most obvious dangerous methods, but
> > undoubtedly, there will be some. Why are we any more likely to hit an
> > AML method bug, interpreter bug or architectural bug by having a
> > userspace interface?
>
> As long as the userspace interfaces are only available to the root
> filesystem, I'm not sure it's worth it to hide any of the methods.
> It's added complexity, and in any case, root can do untold amounts of
> damage by writing to /dev/mem, trying to upload firmware to IDE
> drives, etc., etc., etc.
Yes, very true. I think the difference is that in my current
implementation, objects are evaluated on read. This makes it terribly
easy to do the wrong thing "Hmm, I wonder what that file does... oops".
Evaluating on write would set the bar a little higher, but still has
some of the same issues. In theory, I definitely agree, the interface
shouldn't need to hide anything. (I'm sure there are ACPI firmware
folks frightened by that idea) Thanks,
Alex
--
Alex Williamson HP Linux & Open Source Lab
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@hp.com>
To: Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>
Cc: "Yu, Luming" <luming.yu@intel.com>,
Dmitry Torokhov <dtor_core@ameritech.net>,
acpi-devel <acpi-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
"Keshavamurthy, Anil S" <anil.s.keshavamurthy@intel.com>,
"Brown, Len" <len.brown@intel.com>,
LHNS list <lhns-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
Linux IA64 <linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [ACPI] PATCH-ACPI based CPU hotplug[2/6]-ACPI Eject
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 18:10:52 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1095790252.24751.41.camel@tdi> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040921172546.GA7077@thunk.org>
On Tue, 2004-09-21 at 13:25 -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 09:02:18PM -0600, Alex Williamson wrote:
> > > But, some AML methods are risky to be called directly from user space,
> > > Not only because the side effect of its execution, but also because
> > > it could trigger potential AML method bug or interpreter bug, or even
> > > architectural defect. All of these headache is due to the AML method
> > > is NOT intended for being used by userspace program.
> >
> > I've made an attempt to hide the most obvious dangerous methods, but
> > undoubtedly, there will be some. Why are we any more likely to hit an
> > AML method bug, interpreter bug or architectural bug by having a
> > userspace interface?
>
> As long as the userspace interfaces are only available to the root
> filesystem, I'm not sure it's worth it to hide any of the methods.
> It's added complexity, and in any case, root can do untold amounts of
> damage by writing to /dev/mem, trying to upload firmware to IDE
> drives, etc., etc., etc.
Yes, very true. I think the difference is that in my current
implementation, objects are evaluated on read. This makes it terribly
easy to do the wrong thing "Hmm, I wonder what that file does... oops".
Evaluating on write would set the bar a little higher, but still has
some of the same issues. In theory, I definitely agree, the interface
shouldn't need to hide anything. (I'm sure there are ACPI firmware
folks frightened by that idea) Thanks,
Alex
--
Alex Williamson HP Linux & Open Source Lab
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-09-21 18:10 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 153+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-09-21 2:30 [ACPI] PATCH-ACPI based CPU hotplug[2/6]-ACPI Eject interfacesupport Yu, Luming
2004-09-21 2:30 ` Yu, Luming
2004-09-21 2:30 ` Yu, Luming
2004-09-21 3:02 ` Alex Williamson
2004-09-21 3:02 ` [ACPI] PATCH-ACPI based CPU hotplug[2/6]-ACPI Eject Alex Williamson
2004-09-21 17:25 ` [ACPI] PATCH-ACPI based CPU hotplug[2/6]-ACPI Eject interfacesupport Theodore Ts'o
2004-09-21 17:25 ` Theodore Ts'o
2004-09-21 18:10 ` Alex Williamson [this message]
2004-09-21 18:10 ` [ACPI] PATCH-ACPI based CPU hotplug[2/6]-ACPI Eject Alex Williamson
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2004-09-20 16:25 PATCH-ACPI based CPU hotplug[0/6] Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-20 16:25 ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-20 16:29 ` PATCH-ACPI based CPU hotplug[0/6]-Core ACPI enhancement support Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-20 16:29 ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-20 16:34 ` PATCH-ACPI based CPU hotplug[1/6]-ACPI core " Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-20 16:34 ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
[not found] ` <20040920093402.C14208-39QZ/XbsZ5/mO6KZMuUCQVaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2004-09-20 18:26 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2004-09-20 19:01 ` [ACPI] " Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-20 19:01 ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-20 19:01 ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-20 20:26 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2004-09-20 20:26 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2004-09-20 20:44 ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-20 20:44 ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-24 23:22 ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-24 23:22 ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-20 16:35 ` PATCH-ACPI based CPU hotplug[2/6]-ACPI Eject interface support Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-20 16:35 ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-20 18:33 ` [ACPI] " Dmitry Torokhov
2004-09-20 18:33 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2004-09-20 19:24 ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-20 19:24 ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-20 23:12 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2004-09-20 23:12 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2004-09-21 0:52 ` Alex Williamson
2004-09-21 0:52 ` [ACPI] PATCH-ACPI based CPU hotplug[2/6]-ACPI Eject interface Alex Williamson
2004-09-21 1:20 ` [ACPI] PATCH-ACPI based CPU hotplug[2/6]-ACPI Eject interface support Dmitry Torokhov
2004-09-21 1:20 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2004-09-21 1:25 ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-21 1:25 ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-21 1:41 ` Alex Williamson
2004-09-21 1:41 ` [ACPI] PATCH-ACPI based CPU hotplug[2/6]-ACPI Eject interface Alex Williamson
2004-09-21 5:34 ` [ACPI] PATCH-ACPI based CPU hotplug[2/6]-ACPI Eject interface support Dmitry Torokhov
2004-09-21 5:34 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2004-09-21 5:34 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2004-09-21 1:38 ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-21 1:38 ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-21 5:51 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2004-09-21 5:51 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2004-09-21 21:51 ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-21 21:51 ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-21 22:23 ` [Lhns-devel] " Russ Anderson
2004-09-21 22:23 ` Russ Anderson
2004-09-21 22:23 ` Russ Anderson
2004-09-22 3:10 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2004-09-22 3:10 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2004-09-24 23:28 ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-24 23:28 ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-24 23:28 ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-27 6:12 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2004-09-27 6:12 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2004-09-27 6:12 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2004-09-27 16:53 ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-27 16:53 ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-27 16:53 ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-27 18:09 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2004-09-27 18:09 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2004-09-27 18:09 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2004-09-22 4:17 ` Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-22 4:17 ` [ACPI] PATCH-ACPI based CPU hotplug[2/6]-ACPI Eject interface Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-22 16:59 ` [ACPI] PATCH-ACPI based CPU hotplug[2/6]-ACPI Eject interface support Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-22 16:59 ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
[not found] ` <20040920092520.A14208-39QZ/XbsZ5/mO6KZMuUCQVaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2004-09-20 16:38 ` PATCH-ACPI based CPU hotplug[3/6]-Mapping lsapic to cpu Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-20 16:38 ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-20 16:38 ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-22 2:10 ` [ACPI] " Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-22 2:10 ` Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-23 6:55 ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-23 6:55 ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-22 13:15 ` Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-22 13:15 ` Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-22 13:23 ` Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-22 13:23 ` Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-22 14:52 ` Alex Williamson
2004-09-22 14:52 ` Alex Williamson
2004-09-22 17:10 ` Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-22 17:10 ` Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-22 17:54 ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-22 17:54 ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-24 23:36 ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-24 23:36 ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-27 11:47 ` Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-27 11:47 ` Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-27 12:50 ` Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-27 12:50 ` Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-27 20:44 ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-27 20:44 ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-27 20:44 ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-20 16:41 ` PATCH-ACPI based CPU hotplug[4/6]-Dynamic cpu register/unregister support Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-20 16:41 ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-20 16:41 ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-22 8:34 ` [ACPI] " Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-22 8:34 ` [ACPI] PATCH-ACPI based CPU hotplug[4/6]-Dynamic cpu Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-22 17:10 ` [ACPI] PATCH-ACPI based CPU hotplug[4/6]-Dynamic cpu register/unregister support Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-22 17:10 ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
[not found] ` <20040922173400.4e717946.tokunaga.keiich-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2004-09-24 23:40 ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-24 23:40 ` [ACPI] " Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-24 23:40 ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-20 16:43 ` PATCH-ACPI based CPU hotplug[5/6]-ACPI processor driver extension Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-20 16:43 ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-20 16:43 ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-22 9:57 ` [ACPI] " Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-22 9:57 ` [ACPI] PATCH-ACPI based CPU hotplug[5/6]-ACPI processor driver Keiichiro Tokunaga
[not found] ` <20040920094352.G14208-39QZ/XbsZ5/mO6KZMuUCQVaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2004-09-24 23:48 ` PATCH-ACPI based CPU hotplug[5/6]-ACPI processor driver extension Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-24 23:48 ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-24 23:48 ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-20 16:47 ` PATCH-ACPI based CPU hotplug[6/6]-ACPI Container driver Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-20 16:47 ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-20 16:47 ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-23 16:23 ` [PATCH][0/4] NUMA node handling support for ACPI container driver Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-23 16:23 ` Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-23 16:31 ` [PATCH][1/4] Add unregister_node() to drivers/base/node.c Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-23 16:31 ` Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-23 16:43 ` [Lhns-devel] " Dave Hansen
2004-09-23 16:43 ` [Lhns-devel] [PATCH][1/4] Add unregister_node() to Dave Hansen
2004-09-24 3:12 ` [Lhns-devel] [PATCH][1/4] Add unregister_node() to drivers/base/node.c Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-24 3:12 ` Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-24 3:12 ` [Lhns-devel] [PATCH][1/4] Add unregister_node() to Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-27 18:52 ` [PATCH][1/4] Add unregister_node() to drivers/base/node.c Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-27 18:52 ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-28 10:19 ` Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-28 10:19 ` Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-23 16:32 ` [PATCH][2/4] Add arch_register_node() for ia64 Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-23 16:32 ` Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-23 16:32 ` [PATCH][3/4] Add hotplug support to drivers/acpi/numa.c Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-23 16:32 ` Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-27 12:58 ` Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-27 12:58 ` Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-27 20:06 ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-27 20:06 ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-29 6:26 ` Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-29 6:26 ` Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-23 16:36 ` [PATCH][4/4] Add NUMA node handling to the container driver Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-23 16:36 ` Keiichiro Tokunaga
[not found] ` <20040924013642.00003b08.tokunaga.keiich-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2004-09-23 22:09 ` Mika Penttilä
2004-09-23 22:09 ` Mika Penttilä
2004-09-23 22:09 ` Mika Penttilä
2004-09-24 4:44 ` Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-24 4:44 ` Keiichiro Tokunaga
2004-09-23 16:38 ` [PATCH][0/4] NUMA node handling support for ACPI " Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-23 16:38 ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-24 23:51 ` PATCH-ACPI based CPU hotplug[6/6]-ACPI Container driver Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-24 23:51 ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2004-09-24 23:51 ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
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