From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh-XVmvHMARGAS8U2dJNN8I7kB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
To: David Brownell <david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Linux-pm mailing list <linux-pm-qjLDD68F18O7TbgM5vRIOg@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: Nested suspends; messages vs. states
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 16:03:10 +1100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1111640590.16224.180.camel@gaston> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200503231845.55392.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
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On Wed, 2005-03-23 at 18:45 -0800, David Brownell wrote:
> If you've hogtied your system by forcing some devices ("busses") into
> certain states that prevent others from working, it seems only fair to
> me that it stay hogtied.
No. For example, I'm a host controller. I notice I didn't get any
request for a while, I want to enter a suspended state. That means going
through dependencies of my childs so they can all enter a state
compatible with me going to suspend.
> I suspect you're actually agreeing with me there that some of the
> drivers need flexibility to manage their power states. And maybe
> even that such modes will be the main ones of interest...
>
> My answer to the question of how those parent/child dependency
> details should be managed was to ensure that the parent can do
> what it needs to. That is, decentralize those issues. I don't
> understand why you seem to dislike that approach, when so many
> of your examples seem to confirm it would work.
I want to have the driver in control, yes. But I also want to have a
core that removes the burden from driver writers in the "generic" cases.
It's all a tradeoff to find :)
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2005-03-21 20:11 Nested suspends; messages vs. states Alan Stern
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2005-03-21 20:20 ` Pavel Machek
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2005-03-21 21:14 ` Alan Stern
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2005-03-21 22:26 ` Pavel Machek
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2005-03-22 3:08 ` Alan Stern
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2005-03-22 11:08 ` Pavel Machek
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2005-03-22 17:24 ` Alan Stern
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2005-03-23 23:49 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-23 18:32 ` David Brownell
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2005-03-23 21:00 ` Pavel Machek
2005-03-22 4:21 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-22 17:04 ` Alan Stern
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2005-03-22 23:36 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-23 1:17 ` Patrick Mochel
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2005-03-23 19:02 ` David Brownell
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2005-03-23 20:36 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-03-23 21:08 ` Alan Stern
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2005-03-24 2:35 ` Patrick Mochel
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2005-03-24 17:03 ` Alan Stern
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2005-03-24 17:13 ` Patrick Mochel
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2005-03-24 17:46 ` David Brownell
2005-03-24 17:51 ` Patrick Mochel
2005-03-24 19:27 ` Alan Stern
2005-03-23 18:58 ` David Brownell
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2005-03-23 19:37 ` Jordan Crouse
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2005-03-24 5:16 ` David Brownell
2005-03-23 23:24 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-24 2:45 ` David Brownell
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2005-03-24 5:03 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt [this message]
2005-03-24 5:27 ` David Brownell
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2005-03-24 6:02 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-24 6:31 ` David Brownell
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2005-03-24 6:36 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-24 7:46 ` David Brownell
2005-03-23 0:52 ` Patrick Mochel
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2005-03-23 1:21 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-23 1:46 ` Patrick Mochel
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2005-03-23 3:31 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-23 18:20 ` Patrick Mochel
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2005-03-23 21:02 ` Pavel Machek
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2005-03-23 21:35 ` Nigel Cunningham
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2005-03-23 21:54 ` Pavel Machek
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2005-03-24 2:40 ` Patrick Mochel
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2005-03-24 3:16 ` Nigel Cunningham
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2005-03-24 8:19 ` Patrick Mochel
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2005-03-24 10:01 ` CPU local things [was Re: Nested suspends; messages vs. states] Pavel Machek
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2005-03-24 15:59 ` Patrick Mochel
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2005-03-24 17:14 ` Nathan Lynch
2005-03-24 20:59 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-03-23 23:14 ` Nested suspends; messages vs. states Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-24 1:27 ` Patrick Mochel
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2005-03-24 9:59 ` Pavel Machek
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2005-03-24 15:48 ` Patrick Mochel
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2005-03-24 16:38 ` David Brownell
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2005-03-24 17:00 ` Patrick Mochel
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2005-03-24 17:33 ` David Brownell
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2005-03-24 17:41 ` Patrick Mochel
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2005-03-24 18:08 ` David Brownell
2005-03-24 1:41 ` Patrick Mochel
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2005-03-24 2:22 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-24 2:05 ` Patrick Mochel
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2005-03-24 2:29 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-24 5:02 ` David Brownell
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2005-03-24 5:14 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-24 5:31 ` David Brownell
2005-03-24 8:16 ` Patrick Mochel
2005-03-23 19:06 ` David Brownell
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2005-03-23 20:29 ` Nigel Cunningham
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2005-03-23 20:55 ` David Brownell
2005-03-23 21:18 ` Alan Stern
2005-03-24 2:13 ` Patrick Mochel
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2005-03-24 2:52 ` David Brownell
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