All of lore.kernel.org
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: David Brownell <david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
To: ncunningham-3EexvZdKGZRWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org
Cc: Linux-pm mailing list <linux-pm-qjLDD68F18O7TbgM5vRIOg@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: Nested suspends; messages vs. states
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:55:55 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200503231255.55686.david-b@pacbell.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1111609769.14853.104.camel-r49W/1Cwd2ff0s6lnCXPX/uOuaPYTxhvJwvTLr3MMZM@public.gmane.org>

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1432 bytes --]

On Wednesday 23 March 2005 12:29 pm, Nigel Cunningham wrote:
> Hi
> 
> On Thu, 2005-03-24 at 06:06, David Brownell wrote:
> > On Tuesday 22 March 2005 4:52 pm, Patrick Mochel wrote:
> > > > 
> > > I think the core should always call ->suspend() for a device, regardless
> > > of whether it thinks it's in a low power state, or inactive. This is
> > > specifically for the reason that a device could be a low-power runtime
> > > state when the system is suspended.
> > 
> > I don't quite see a need for this.  If the parent/bridge driver knows
> > the device is adequately suspended, why kick it again?  It's actually
> > rather annoying -- and error/bug prone! -- to have to code drivers to
> > detect and cope with superfluous suspend calls.
> 
> I would think it would be simpler not to have the parent/bridge check
> whether the device is already suspended, and to just have all the logic
> that decides what to do in the driver. I'm only thinking intuitively,
> but it sounds like that should help with avoiding race conditions.

Maybe the solution should involve a parent/child handshake; that'd
be the place to address potential races, and it could include the
notification folk seem to want.  

You're suggesting a tradeoff which shifts work from the bridges,
which won't be numerous, to the drivers, which will be.  I still
don't see a need to do that, and I'd rather take opportunities to
make the drivers simpler.

- Dave

[-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 0 bytes --]



  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-03-23 20:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-03-21 20:11 Nested suspends; messages vs. states Alan Stern
     [not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0503211436020.1241-100000-3WpdWqXrU/qjv4eRiOYp3g@public.gmane.org>
2005-03-21 20:20   ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]     ` <20050321202016.GI1390-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2005-03-21 21:14       ` Alan Stern
     [not found]         ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0503211613010.2329-100000-3WpdWqXrU/qjv4eRiOYp3g@public.gmane.org>
2005-03-21 22:26           ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]             ` <20050321222609.GK1390-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2005-03-22  3:08               ` Alan Stern
     [not found]                 ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0503212140450.28689-100000-pYrvlCTfrz9XsRXLowluHWD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2005-03-22 11:08                   ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                     ` <20050322110802.GA1751-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2005-03-22 17:24                       ` Alan Stern
     [not found]                         ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0503221216430.954-100000-3WpdWqXrU/qjv4eRiOYp3g@public.gmane.org>
2005-03-23 23:49                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-23 18:32               ` David Brownell
     [not found]                 ` <200503231032.36164.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2005-03-23 21:00                   ` Pavel Machek
2005-03-22  4:21   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-22 17:04     ` Alan Stern
     [not found]       ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0503221143460.954-100000-3WpdWqXrU/qjv4eRiOYp3g@public.gmane.org>
2005-03-22 23:36         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-23  1:17         ` Patrick Mochel
     [not found]           ` <Pine.LNX.4.50.0503221709080.16154-100000-x8k/2hhmB0w5etPau2IXcQ@public.gmane.org>
2005-03-23 19:02             ` David Brownell
     [not found]               ` <200503231102.27137.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2005-03-23 20:36                 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-03-23 21:08             ` Alan Stern
     [not found]               ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0503231544550.631-100000-3WpdWqXrU/qjv4eRiOYp3g@public.gmane.org>
2005-03-24  2:35                 ` Patrick Mochel
     [not found]                   ` <Pine.LNX.4.50.0503231827310.15119-100000-x8k/2hhmB0w5etPau2IXcQ@public.gmane.org>
2005-03-24 17:03                     ` Alan Stern
     [not found]                       ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0503241149000.1345-100000-3WpdWqXrU/qjv4eRiOYp3g@public.gmane.org>
2005-03-24 17:13                         ` Patrick Mochel
     [not found]                           ` <Pine.LNX.4.50.0503240904570.13683-100000-x8k/2hhmB0w5etPau2IXcQ@public.gmane.org>
2005-03-24 17:46                             ` David Brownell
2005-03-24 17:51                             ` Patrick Mochel
2005-03-24 19:27                             ` Alan Stern
2005-03-23 18:58     ` David Brownell
     [not found]       ` <200503231058.54311.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2005-03-23 19:37         ` Jordan Crouse
     [not found]           ` <20050323123725.201d8a67-aftB2sG12IhaqnLngUycEA@public.gmane.org>
2005-03-24  5:16             ` David Brownell
2005-03-23 23:24         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-24  2:45           ` David Brownell
     [not found]             ` <200503231845.55392.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2005-03-24  5:03               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-24  5:27                 ` David Brownell
     [not found]                   ` <200503232127.19576.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2005-03-24  6:02                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-24  6:31                       ` David Brownell
     [not found]                         ` <200503232231.00561.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2005-03-24  6:36                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-24  7:46                             ` David Brownell
2005-03-23  0:52   ` Patrick Mochel
     [not found]     ` <Pine.LNX.4.50.0503221635130.16154-100000-x8k/2hhmB0w5etPau2IXcQ@public.gmane.org>
2005-03-23  1:21       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-23  1:46         ` Patrick Mochel
     [not found]           ` <Pine.LNX.4.50.0503221724550.16154-100000-x8k/2hhmB0w5etPau2IXcQ@public.gmane.org>
2005-03-23  3:31             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-23 18:20               ` Patrick Mochel
     [not found]                 ` <Pine.LNX.4.50.0503231008340.17099-100000-x8k/2hhmB0w5etPau2IXcQ@public.gmane.org>
2005-03-23 21:02                   ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                     ` <20050323210204.GE30704-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2005-03-23 21:35                       ` Nigel Cunningham
     [not found]                         ` <1111613750.14853.117.camel-r49W/1Cwd2ff0s6lnCXPX/uOuaPYTxhvJwvTLr3MMZM@public.gmane.org>
2005-03-23 21:54                           ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                             ` <20050323215416.GK30704-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2005-03-24  2:40                               ` Patrick Mochel
     [not found]                                 ` <Pine.LNX.4.50.0503231838570.15119-100000-x8k/2hhmB0w5etPau2IXcQ@public.gmane.org>
2005-03-24  3:16                                   ` Nigel Cunningham
     [not found]                                     ` <1111634182.3430.1.camel-r49W/1Cwd2ff0s6lnCXPX/uOuaPYTxhvJwvTLr3MMZM@public.gmane.org>
2005-03-24  8:19                                       ` Patrick Mochel
     [not found]                                         ` <Pine.LNX.4.50.0503240017460.15119-100000-x8k/2hhmB0w5etPau2IXcQ@public.gmane.org>
2005-03-24 10:01                                           ` CPU local things [was Re: Nested suspends; messages vs. states] Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                             ` <20050324100153.GE1354-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2005-03-24 15:59                                               ` Patrick Mochel
     [not found]                                                 ` <Pine.LNX.4.50.0503240749030.24692-100000-x8k/2hhmB0w5etPau2IXcQ@public.gmane.org>
2005-03-24 17:14                                                   ` Nathan Lynch
2005-03-24 20:59                                                     ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-03-23 23:14                   ` Nested suspends; messages vs. states Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-24  1:27               ` Patrick Mochel
     [not found]                 ` <Pine.LNX.4.50.0503231724100.15119-100000-x8k/2hhmB0w5etPau2IXcQ@public.gmane.org>
2005-03-24  9:59                   ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                     ` <20050324095910.GD1354-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2005-03-24 15:48                       ` Patrick Mochel
     [not found]                         ` <Pine.LNX.4.50.0503240746290.24692-100000-x8k/2hhmB0w5etPau2IXcQ@public.gmane.org>
2005-03-24 16:38                           ` David Brownell
     [not found]                             ` <200503240838.37628.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2005-03-24 17:00                               ` Patrick Mochel
     [not found]                                 ` <Pine.LNX.4.50.0503240858200.13683-100000-x8k/2hhmB0w5etPau2IXcQ@public.gmane.org>
2005-03-24 17:33                                   ` David Brownell
     [not found]                                     ` <200503240933.49123.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2005-03-24 17:41                                       ` Patrick Mochel
     [not found]                                         ` <Pine.LNX.4.50.0503240937150.13683-100000-x8k/2hhmB0w5etPau2IXcQ@public.gmane.org>
2005-03-24 18:08                                           ` David Brownell
2005-03-24  1:41               ` Patrick Mochel
     [not found]                 ` <Pine.LNX.4.50.0503231727220.15119-100000-x8k/2hhmB0w5etPau2IXcQ@public.gmane.org>
2005-03-24  2:22                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-24  2:05               ` Patrick Mochel
     [not found]                 ` <Pine.LNX.4.50.0503231742090.15119-100000-x8k/2hhmB0w5etPau2IXcQ@public.gmane.org>
2005-03-24  2:29                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-24  5:02                   ` David Brownell
     [not found]                     ` <200503232102.51132.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2005-03-24  5:14                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-24  5:31                         ` David Brownell
2005-03-24  8:16                         ` Patrick Mochel
2005-03-23 19:06       ` David Brownell
     [not found]         ` <200503231106.03160.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2005-03-23 20:29           ` Nigel Cunningham
     [not found]             ` <1111609769.14853.104.camel-r49W/1Cwd2ff0s6lnCXPX/uOuaPYTxhvJwvTLr3MMZM@public.gmane.org>
2005-03-23 20:55               ` David Brownell [this message]
2005-03-23 21:18               ` Alan Stern
2005-03-24  2:13           ` Patrick Mochel
     [not found]             ` <Pine.LNX.4.50.0503231810400.15119-100000-x8k/2hhmB0w5etPau2IXcQ@public.gmane.org>
2005-03-24  2:52               ` David Brownell

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=200503231255.55686.david-b@pacbell.net \
    --to=david-b-ybekhbn/0ldr7s880joybq@public.gmane.org \
    --cc=linux-pm-qjLDD68F18O7TbgM5vRIOg@public.gmane.org \
    --cc=ncunningham-3EexvZdKGZRWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is an external index of several public inboxes,
see mirroring instructions on how to clone and mirror
all data and code used by this external index.