From: David Brownell <david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Benjamin Herrenschmidt
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Cc: Linux-pm mailing list <linux-pm-qjLDD68F18O7TbgM5vRIOg@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: Nested suspends; messages vs. states
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:31:01 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200503232131.01895.david-b@pacbell.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1111641282.16201.188.camel@gaston>
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On Wednesday 23 March 2005 9:14 pm, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
>
> However, I'm wondering what will be the stack usage of such a model on
> deep bus layouts...
I've previously sketched algorithms that will linearize things.
It's what I referred to when I talked about dynamically building
the lists of devices to suspend or resume.
> > > The bridge driver largely don't exist (except for USB hubs), the
> > > requirements aren't very tough, and it would localize the semantics where
> > > they need to be - in the bus subsystems.
> >
> > Yes to localizing semantics!! Though as for requirements, that's
> > not always true.
>
> I don't agree with the bus subsystem beeing a good place here. I don't
> like it for lots of reasons and never liked it, because it totally lacks
> the notion of a bus "instance" among others... It's de-facto a device
> "bus type", so it's a "bus type" subsystem more than a "bus subsystem"
> imho. But careful explanation might still change my mind here.
Yes, there's bad terminology lurking. When I talk about a bus, I'm
rarely talkig about a "bus type" like PCI or USB ... I'm talking about
a specific instance. Strongly agreed that the relevant scope is an
instance ("just another device, with children") not a type/class.
- Dave
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2005-03-21 20:11 Nested suspends; messages vs. states Alan Stern
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2005-03-21 20:20 ` Pavel Machek
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2005-03-21 21:14 ` Alan Stern
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2005-03-21 22:26 ` Pavel Machek
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2005-03-22 3:08 ` Alan Stern
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2005-03-22 11:08 ` Pavel Machek
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2005-03-22 17:24 ` Alan Stern
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2005-03-23 23:49 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-23 18:32 ` David Brownell
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2005-03-23 21:00 ` Pavel Machek
2005-03-22 4:21 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-22 17:04 ` Alan Stern
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2005-03-22 23:36 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-23 1:17 ` Patrick Mochel
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2005-03-23 19:02 ` David Brownell
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2005-03-23 20:36 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-03-23 21:08 ` Alan Stern
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2005-03-24 2:35 ` Patrick Mochel
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2005-03-24 17:03 ` Alan Stern
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2005-03-24 17:13 ` Patrick Mochel
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2005-03-24 17:46 ` David Brownell
2005-03-24 17:51 ` Patrick Mochel
2005-03-24 19:27 ` Alan Stern
2005-03-23 18:58 ` David Brownell
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2005-03-23 19:37 ` Jordan Crouse
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2005-03-24 5:16 ` David Brownell
2005-03-23 23:24 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-24 2:45 ` David Brownell
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2005-03-24 5:03 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-24 5:27 ` David Brownell
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2005-03-24 6:02 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-24 6:31 ` David Brownell
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2005-03-24 6:36 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-24 7:46 ` David Brownell
2005-03-23 0:52 ` Patrick Mochel
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2005-03-23 1:21 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-23 1:46 ` Patrick Mochel
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2005-03-23 3:31 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-23 18:20 ` Patrick Mochel
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2005-03-23 21:02 ` Pavel Machek
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2005-03-23 21:35 ` Nigel Cunningham
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2005-03-23 21:54 ` Pavel Machek
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2005-03-24 2:40 ` Patrick Mochel
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2005-03-24 3:16 ` Nigel Cunningham
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2005-03-24 8:19 ` Patrick Mochel
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2005-03-24 10:01 ` CPU local things [was Re: Nested suspends; messages vs. states] Pavel Machek
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2005-03-24 15:59 ` Patrick Mochel
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2005-03-24 17:14 ` Nathan Lynch
2005-03-24 20:59 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-03-23 23:14 ` Nested suspends; messages vs. states Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-24 1:27 ` Patrick Mochel
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2005-03-24 9:59 ` Pavel Machek
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2005-03-24 15:48 ` Patrick Mochel
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2005-03-24 16:38 ` David Brownell
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2005-03-24 17:00 ` Patrick Mochel
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2005-03-24 17:33 ` David Brownell
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2005-03-24 17:41 ` Patrick Mochel
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2005-03-24 18:08 ` David Brownell
2005-03-24 1:41 ` Patrick Mochel
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2005-03-24 2:22 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-24 2:05 ` Patrick Mochel
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2005-03-24 2:29 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-24 5:02 ` David Brownell
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2005-03-24 5:14 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-24 5:31 ` David Brownell [this message]
2005-03-24 8:16 ` Patrick Mochel
2005-03-23 19:06 ` David Brownell
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2005-03-23 20:29 ` Nigel Cunningham
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2005-03-23 20:55 ` David Brownell
2005-03-23 21:18 ` Alan Stern
2005-03-24 2:13 ` Patrick Mochel
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2005-03-24 2:52 ` David Brownell
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