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From: Dave Hansen <haveblue@us.ibm.com>
To: "Martin J. Bligh" <mbligh@mbligh.org>
Cc: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	jschopp@austin.ibm.com, mel@csn.ul.ie,
	linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Subject: Re: Avoiding external fragmentation with a placement policy Version 12
Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 09:43:00 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1117816980.5985.17.camel@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <369850000.1117807062@[10.10.2.4]>

On Fri, 2005-06-03 at 06:57 -0700, Martin J. Bligh wrote:
> 
> >>> Actually, even with TSO enabled, you'll get large order
> >>> allocations, but for receive packets, and these allocations
> >>> happen in software interrupt context.
> >> 
> >> Sounds like we still need to cope then ... ?
> > 
> > Sure. Although we should try to not use higher order allocs if
> > possible of course. Even with a fallback mode, you will still be
> > putting more pressure on higher order areas and thus degrading
> > the service for *other* allocators, so such schemes should
> > obviously be justified by performance improvements.
> 
> My point is that outside of a benchmark situation (where we just
> rebooted the machine to run a test) you will NEVER get an order 4
> block free anyway, so it's pointless.

I ran a little test overnight on a 16GB i386 system.

	cat /dev/zero | ./nc localhost 9999 & ; ./nc -l -p 9999

It pushed around 200MB of traffic through lo.  Is that (relatively low)
transmission rate due to having to kick off kswapd any time it wants to
send a packet?

partial mem/buddyinfo before:
MemTotal:     16375212 kB
MemFree:        214248 kB
HighTotal:    14548952 kB
HighFree:       198272 kB
LowTotal:      1826260 kB
LowFree:         15976 kB
Cached:       14415800 kB

Node 0, zone      DMA    217     35      2      1      1      1      1      0      1      1      1
Node 0, zone   Normal   7236   3020   3885    104      7      0      0      0      0      0      1
Node 0, zone  HighMem     18    503      0      0      1      0      0      1      0      0      0

partial mem/buddyinfo after:
MemTotal:     16375212 kB
MemFree:      13471604 kB
HighTotal:    14548952 kB
HighFree:     13450624 kB
LowTotal:      1826260 kB
LowFree:         20980 kB
Cached:         972988 kB

Node 0, zone      DMA      1      0      1      1      1      1      1      0      1      1      1
Node 0, zone   Normal   1488     52     10     66      7      0      0      0      0      0      1
Node 0, zone  HighMem   1322   3541   3165  20611  20651  14062   8054   5400   2643    664    169

There was surely plenty of other stuff going on, but it looks like
ZONE_HIGHMEM got eaten, and has plenty of large contiguous areas
available.  This probably shows the collateral damage when kswapd goes
randomly shooting down pages.  Are those loopback allocations
GFP_KERNEL?

-- Dave


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From: Dave Hansen <haveblue@us.ibm.com>
To: "Martin J. Bligh" <mbligh@mbligh.org>
Cc: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	jschopp@austin.ibm.com, mel@csn.ul.ie,
	linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Subject: Re: Avoiding external fragmentation with a placement policy Version 12
Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 09:43:00 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1117816980.5985.17.camel@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <369850000.1117807062@[10.10.2.4]>

On Fri, 2005-06-03 at 06:57 -0700, Martin J. Bligh wrote:
> 
> >>> Actually, even with TSO enabled, you'll get large order
> >>> allocations, but for receive packets, and these allocations
> >>> happen in software interrupt context.
> >> 
> >> Sounds like we still need to cope then ... ?
> > 
> > Sure. Although we should try to not use higher order allocs if
> > possible of course. Even with a fallback mode, you will still be
> > putting more pressure on higher order areas and thus degrading
> > the service for *other* allocators, so such schemes should
> > obviously be justified by performance improvements.
> 
> My point is that outside of a benchmark situation (where we just
> rebooted the machine to run a test) you will NEVER get an order 4
> block free anyway, so it's pointless.

I ran a little test overnight on a 16GB i386 system.

	cat /dev/zero | ./nc localhost 9999 & ; ./nc -l -p 9999

It pushed around 200MB of traffic through lo.  Is that (relatively low)
transmission rate due to having to kick off kswapd any time it wants to
send a packet?

partial mem/buddyinfo before:
MemTotal:     16375212 kB
MemFree:        214248 kB
HighTotal:    14548952 kB
HighFree:       198272 kB
LowTotal:      1826260 kB
LowFree:         15976 kB
Cached:       14415800 kB

Node 0, zone      DMA    217     35      2      1      1      1      1      0      1      1      1
Node 0, zone   Normal   7236   3020   3885    104      7      0      0      0      0      0      1
Node 0, zone  HighMem     18    503      0      0      1      0      0      1      0      0      0

partial mem/buddyinfo after:
MemTotal:     16375212 kB
MemFree:      13471604 kB
HighTotal:    14548952 kB
HighFree:     13450624 kB
LowTotal:      1826260 kB
LowFree:         20980 kB
Cached:         972988 kB

Node 0, zone      DMA      1      0      1      1      1      1      1      0      1      1      1
Node 0, zone   Normal   1488     52     10     66      7      0      0      0      0      0      1
Node 0, zone  HighMem   1322   3541   3165  20611  20651  14062   8054   5400   2643    664    169

There was surely plenty of other stuff going on, but it looks like
ZONE_HIGHMEM got eaten, and has plenty of large contiguous areas
available.  This probably shows the collateral damage when kswapd goes
randomly shooting down pages.  Are those loopback allocations
GFP_KERNEL?

-- Dave

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  reply	other threads:[~2005-06-03 16:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-05-31 11:20 Avoiding external fragmentation with a placement policy Version 12 Mel Gorman
2005-05-31 11:20 ` Mel Gorman
2005-06-01 20:55 ` Joel Schopp
2005-06-01 20:55   ` Joel Schopp
2005-06-01 23:09   ` Nick Piggin
2005-06-01 23:09     ` Nick Piggin
2005-06-01 23:23     ` David S. Miller
2005-06-01 23:23       ` David S. Miller, Nick Piggin
2005-06-01 23:28     ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-06-01 23:28       ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-06-01 23:43       ` Nick Piggin
2005-06-01 23:43         ` Nick Piggin
2005-06-02  0:02         ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-06-02  0:02           ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-06-02  0:20           ` Nick Piggin
2005-06-02  0:20             ` Nick Piggin
2005-06-02 13:55             ` Mel Gorman
2005-06-02 13:55               ` Mel Gorman
2005-06-02 15:52             ` Joel Schopp
2005-06-02 15:52               ` Joel Schopp
2005-06-02 19:50               ` Ray Bryant
2005-06-02 19:50                 ` Ray Bryant
2005-06-02 20:10                 ` Joel Schopp
2005-06-02 20:10                   ` Joel Schopp
2005-06-04 16:09                   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-06-04 16:09                     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-06-03  3:48               ` Nick Piggin
2005-06-03  3:48                 ` Nick Piggin
2005-06-03  4:49                 ` David S. Miller
2005-06-03  4:49                   ` David S. Miller, Nick Piggin
2005-06-03  5:34                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-06-03  5:34                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-06-03  5:37                     ` David S. Miller
2005-06-03  5:37                       ` David S. Miller, Martin J. Bligh
2005-06-03  5:42                       ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-06-03  5:42                         ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-06-03  5:51                         ` David S. Miller
2005-06-03  5:51                           ` David S. Miller, Martin J. Bligh
2005-06-03 13:13                         ` Mel Gorman
2005-06-03 13:13                           ` Mel Gorman
2005-06-03  6:43                     ` Nick Piggin
2005-06-03  6:43                       ` Nick Piggin
2005-06-03 13:57                       ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-06-03 13:57                         ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-06-03 16:43                         ` Dave Hansen [this message]
2005-06-03 16:43                           ` Dave Hansen
2005-06-03 18:43                           ` David S. Miller
2005-06-03 18:43                             ` David S. Miller, Dave Hansen
2005-06-04  1:44                       ` Herbert Xu
2005-06-04  1:44                         ` Herbert Xu
2005-06-04  2:15                         ` Nick Piggin
2005-06-04  2:15                           ` Nick Piggin
2005-06-05 19:52                           ` David S. Miller
2005-06-05 19:52                             ` David S. Miller, Nick Piggin
2005-06-03 13:05                 ` Mel Gorman
2005-06-03 13:05                   ` Mel Gorman
2005-06-03 14:00                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-06-03 14:00                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-06-08 17:03                     ` Mel Gorman
2005-06-08 17:03                       ` Mel Gorman
2005-06-08 17:18                       ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-06-08 17:18                         ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-06-10 16:20                         ` Christoph Lameter
2005-06-10 16:20                           ` Christoph Lameter
2005-06-10 17:53                           ` Steve Lord
2005-06-10 17:53                             ` Steve Lord
2005-06-02 18:28           ` Andi Kleen
2005-06-02 18:28             ` Andi Kleen
2005-06-02 18:42             ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-06-02 18:42               ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-06-02 13:15       ` Mel Gorman
2005-06-02 13:15         ` Mel Gorman
2005-06-02 14:01         ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-06-02 14:01           ` Martin J. Bligh
     [not found]       ` <20050603174706.GA25663@localhost.localdomain>
2005-06-03 17:56         ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-06-03 17:56           ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-06-01 23:47     ` Mike Kravetz
2005-06-01 23:47       ` Mike Kravetz
2005-06-01 23:56       ` Nick Piggin
2005-06-01 23:56         ` Nick Piggin
2005-06-02  0:07         ` Mike Kravetz
2005-06-02  0:07           ` Mike Kravetz
2005-06-02  9:49   ` Mel Gorman
2005-06-02  9:49     ` Mel Gorman

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