From: Lee Schermerhorn <Lee.Schermerhorn@hp.com>
To: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
Cc: blaisorblade@yahoo.it, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Linux Memory Management <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: [patch 00/14] remap_file_pages protection support
Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 13:16:46 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1146590207.5202.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4456D5ED.2040202@yahoo.com.au>
On Tue, 2006-05-02 at 13:45 +1000, Nick Piggin wrote:
> blaisorblade@yahoo.it wrote:
>
> > The first idea is to use this for UML - it must create a lot of single page
> > mappings, and managing them through separate VMAs is slow.
>
> I don't know about this. The patches add some complexity, I guess because
> we now have vmas which cannot communicate the protectedness of the pages.
> Still, nobody was too concerned about nonlinear mappings doing the same
> for addressing. But this does seem to add more overhead to the common cases
> in the VM :(
>
> Now I didn't follow the earlier discussions on this much, but let me try
> making a few silly comments to get things going again (cc'ed linux-mm).
>
> I think I would rather this all just folded under VM_NONLINEAR rather than
> having this extra MANYPROTS thing, no? (you're already doing that in one
> direction).
<snip>
One way I've seen this done on other systems is to use something like a
prio tree [e.g., see the shared policy support for shmem] for sub-vma
protection ranges. Most vmas [I'm guessing here] will have only the
original protections or will be reprotected in toto. So, one need only
allocate/populate the protection tree when sub-vma protections are
requested. Then, one can test protections via the vma, perhaps with
access/check macros to hide the existence of the protection tree. Of
course, adding a tree-like structure could introduce locking
complications/overhead in some paths where we'd rather not [just
guessing again]. Might be more overhead than just mucking with the ptes
[for UML], but would keep the ptes in sync with the vma's view of
"protectedness".
Lee
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From: Lee Schermerhorn <Lee.Schermerhorn@hp.com>
To: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
Cc: blaisorblade@yahoo.it, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Linux Memory Management <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: [patch 00/14] remap_file_pages protection support
Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 13:16:46 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1146590207.5202.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4456D5ED.2040202@yahoo.com.au>
On Tue, 2006-05-02 at 13:45 +1000, Nick Piggin wrote:
> blaisorblade@yahoo.it wrote:
>
> > The first idea is to use this for UML - it must create a lot of single page
> > mappings, and managing them through separate VMAs is slow.
>
> I don't know about this. The patches add some complexity, I guess because
> we now have vmas which cannot communicate the protectedness of the pages.
> Still, nobody was too concerned about nonlinear mappings doing the same
> for addressing. But this does seem to add more overhead to the common cases
> in the VM :(
>
> Now I didn't follow the earlier discussions on this much, but let me try
> making a few silly comments to get things going again (cc'ed linux-mm).
>
> I think I would rather this all just folded under VM_NONLINEAR rather than
> having this extra MANYPROTS thing, no? (you're already doing that in one
> direction).
<snip>
One way I've seen this done on other systems is to use something like a
prio tree [e.g., see the shared policy support for shmem] for sub-vma
protection ranges. Most vmas [I'm guessing here] will have only the
original protections or will be reprotected in toto. So, one need only
allocate/populate the protection tree when sub-vma protections are
requested. Then, one can test protections via the vma, perhaps with
access/check macros to hide the existence of the protection tree. Of
course, adding a tree-like structure could introduce locking
complications/overhead in some paths where we'd rather not [just
guessing again]. Might be more overhead than just mucking with the ptes
[for UML], but would keep the ptes in sync with the vma's view of
"protectedness".
Lee
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Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-04-30 17:29 [patch 00/14] remap_file_pages protection support blaisorblade
2006-04-30 17:29 ` [patch 01/14] Fix comment about remap_file_pages blaisorblade
2006-04-30 17:29 ` [patch 02/14] remap_file_pages protection support: add needed macros blaisorblade
2006-04-30 17:29 ` [patch 03/14] remap_file_pages protection support: handle MANYPROTS VMAs blaisorblade
2006-04-30 17:29 ` [patch 04/14] remap_file_pages protection support: disallow mprotect() on manyprots mappings blaisorblade
2006-04-30 17:29 ` [patch 05/14] remap_file_pages protection support: cleanup syscall checks blaisorblade
2006-04-30 17:29 ` [patch 06/14] remap_file_pages protection support: enhance syscall interface blaisorblade
2006-04-30 17:30 ` [patch 07/14] remap_file_pages protection support: support private vma for MAP_POPULATE blaisorblade
2006-04-30 17:30 ` [patch 08/14] remap_file_pages protection support: use FAULT_SIGSEGV for protection checking blaisorblade
2006-04-30 17:30 ` [patch 09/14] remap_file_pages protection support: fix race condition with concurrent faults on same address space blaisorblade
2006-04-30 17:30 ` [patch 10/14] remap_file_pages protection support: fix get_user_pages() on VM_MANYPROTS vmas blaisorblade
2006-04-30 17:30 ` [patch 11/14] remap_file_pages protection support: pte_present should not trigger on PTE_FILE PROTNONE ptes blaisorblade
2006-05-02 3:53 ` Nick Piggin
2006-05-02 3:53 ` Nick Piggin
2006-05-03 1:29 ` Blaisorblade
2006-05-03 1:29 ` Blaisorblade
2006-05-06 10:03 ` Nick Piggin
2006-05-06 10:03 ` Nick Piggin
2006-05-07 17:50 ` Blaisorblade
2006-05-07 17:50 ` Blaisorblade
2006-04-30 17:30 ` [patch 12/14] remap_file_pages protection support: also set VM_NONLINEAR on nonuniform VMAs blaisorblade
2006-04-30 17:30 ` [patch 13/14] remap_file_pages protection support: uml, i386, x64 bits blaisorblade
2006-04-30 17:30 ` [patch 14/14] remap_file_pages protection support: adapt to uml peculiarities blaisorblade
2006-05-02 3:45 ` [patch 00/14] remap_file_pages protection support Nick Piggin
2006-05-02 3:45 ` Nick Piggin
2006-05-02 3:56 ` Nick Piggin
2006-05-02 3:56 ` Nick Piggin
2006-05-02 11:24 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-05-02 11:24 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-05-02 12:19 ` Nick Piggin
2006-05-02 12:19 ` Nick Piggin
2006-05-02 17:16 ` Lee Schermerhorn [this message]
2006-05-02 17:16 ` Lee Schermerhorn
2006-05-03 1:20 ` Blaisorblade
2006-05-03 1:20 ` Blaisorblade
2006-05-03 14:35 ` Lee Schermerhorn
2006-05-03 14:35 ` Lee Schermerhorn
2006-05-03 0:25 ` Blaisorblade
2006-05-03 0:25 ` Blaisorblade
2006-05-06 16:05 ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-05-07 4:22 ` Nick Piggin
2006-05-07 4:22 ` Nick Piggin
2006-05-13 14:13 ` Nick Piggin
2006-05-13 18:19 ` Valerie Henson
2006-05-13 18:19 ` Valerie Henson
2006-05-13 22:54 ` Valerie Henson
2006-05-13 22:54 ` Valerie Henson
2006-05-16 13:30 ` Nick Piggin
2006-05-16 13:30 ` Nick Piggin
2006-05-16 13:51 ` Andreas Mohr
2006-05-16 13:51 ` Andreas Mohr
2006-05-16 16:31 ` Valerie Henson
2006-05-16 16:31 ` Valerie Henson
2006-05-16 16:47 ` Andreas Mohr
2006-05-16 16:47 ` Andreas Mohr
2006-05-17 3:25 ` Nick Piggin
2006-05-17 3:25 ` Nick Piggin
2006-05-17 6:10 ` Blaisorblade
2006-05-17 6:10 ` Blaisorblade
2006-05-16 16:33 ` Valerie Henson
2006-05-16 16:33 ` Valerie Henson
2006-05-03 0:44 ` Blaisorblade
2006-05-03 0:44 ` Blaisorblade
2006-05-06 9:06 ` Nick Piggin
2006-05-06 9:06 ` Nick Piggin
2006-05-06 15:26 ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-05-02 10:21 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-05-02 23:46 ` Valerie Henson
2006-05-03 0:26 ` Blaisorblade
2006-05-03 1:44 ` Ulrich Drepper
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