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From: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
To: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>
Cc: sds@tycho.nsa.gov, jmorris@namei.org, chrisw@sous-sol.org,
	selinux@tycho.nsa.gov, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	aviro@redhat.com
Subject: Re: Security issues with local filesystem caching
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 00:37:39 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1161819459.7615.42.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <16969.1161771256@redhat.com>

Ar Mer, 2006-10-25 am 11:14 +0100, ysgrifennodd David Howells:
> Currently, CacheFiles temporarily changes fsuid and fsgid to 0 whilst doing its
> own pathwalk through the cache and whilst creating files and directories in the
> cache.  This allows it to deal with DAC security directly.  All the directories
> it creates are given permissions mask 0700 and all files 0000.

That seems sensible and fine. It is precisely why we added a separate
fsuid in the first place so that the user space nfsd could take on an fs
identity without breaking signal and other security based forms.

>  (1) Do all the cache operations in their own thread (sort of like knfsd).

Slow it down to keep Christoph happy seems iffy

>  (2) Add further security ops for the caching code to call.  These might be of
>      use elsewhere in the kernel.  These would set cache-specific security
>      labels and check for them.

I can see good arguments for this in some cases where you want strict
divisons in extremely secure computing cases but not usually.

> Thoughts anyone?

I'd like to know more about why Christoph is objecting, whether he has
actual real world examples of races/problems it introduces by altering
fsuid or what his concern is.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-10-25 23:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 105+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-10-25 10:14 Security issues with local filesystem caching David Howells
2006-10-25 10:14 ` David Howells
2006-10-25 16:52 ` Nate Diller
2006-10-25 16:52   ` Nate Diller
2006-10-25 16:48   ` Jeff V. Merkey
2006-10-25 17:21     ` David Howells
2006-10-25 17:21       ` David Howells
2006-10-25 17:42       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2006-10-25 18:15         ` David Howells
2006-10-25 18:15           ` David Howells
2006-10-25 20:21 ` Josef Sipek
2006-10-25 20:28   ` Josef Sipek
2006-10-26  9:56   ` David Howells
2006-10-26  9:56     ` David Howells
2006-10-27 15:54     ` Josef Sipek
2006-10-25 21:12 ` Stephen Smalley
2006-10-25 21:12   ` Stephen Smalley
2006-10-26 10:40   ` David Howells
2006-10-26 10:40     ` David Howells
2006-10-26 12:51     ` Stephen Smalley
2006-10-26 12:51       ` Stephen Smalley
2006-10-26 16:04       ` David Howells
2006-10-26 16:04         ` David Howells
2006-10-26 16:34         ` Stephen Smalley
2006-10-26 16:34           ` Stephen Smalley
2006-10-26 17:09           ` David Howells
2006-10-26 17:09             ` David Howells
2006-10-26 17:45             ` Stephen Smalley
2006-10-26 17:45               ` Stephen Smalley
2006-10-26 22:53               ` David Howells
2006-10-26 22:53                 ` David Howells
2006-10-27 14:48                 ` Stephen Smalley
2006-10-27 14:48                   ` Stephen Smalley
2006-10-27 15:42                   ` David Howells
2006-10-27 15:42                     ` David Howells
2006-10-27 16:10                     ` Stephen Smalley
2006-10-27 16:10                       ` Stephen Smalley
2006-10-27 16:25                       ` David Howells
2006-10-27 16:25                         ` David Howells
2006-10-27 17:09                         ` Stephen Smalley
2006-10-27 17:09                           ` Stephen Smalley
2006-10-27 17:34                           ` David Howells
2006-10-27 17:34                             ` David Howells
2006-10-27 14:41               ` David Howells
2006-10-27 14:41                 ` David Howells
2006-10-27 15:03                 ` Stephen Smalley
2006-10-27 16:12                   ` David Howells
2006-10-27 16:37                     ` Stephen Smalley
2006-10-27 17:28                       ` David Howells
2006-10-27 18:10                         ` Stephen Smalley
2006-10-30 15:13                           ` David Howells
2006-10-31 16:19                           ` David Howells
2006-10-31 16:51                             ` Stephen Smalley
2006-10-31 19:21                               ` David Howells
2006-10-25 23:37 ` Alan Cox [this message]
2006-10-26  0:32   ` Al Viro
2006-10-26 10:45     ` David Howells
2006-10-26 10:45       ` David Howells
2006-10-26 10:54     ` Alan Cox
2006-10-26  9:14 ` Jan Dittmer
2006-10-26 10:55   ` David Howells
2006-10-26 10:55     ` David Howells
2006-10-26 11:52   ` Alan Cox
2006-10-31 21:26 ` David Howells
2006-10-31 21:26   ` David Howells
2006-11-01 13:28   ` Stephen Smalley
2006-11-01 13:28     ` Stephen Smalley
2006-11-01 15:34     ` David Howells
2006-11-01 15:34       ` David Howells
2006-11-01 15:58       ` Karl MacMillan
2006-11-01 15:58         ` Karl MacMillan
2006-11-01 17:45         ` Stephen Smalley
2006-11-01 17:45           ` Stephen Smalley
2006-11-02 16:29           ` Karl MacMillan
2006-11-02 16:29             ` Karl MacMillan
2006-11-02 18:04             ` Stephen Smalley
2006-11-02 18:04               ` Stephen Smalley
2006-11-01 17:30       ` Stephen Smalley
2006-11-01 17:30         ` Stephen Smalley
2006-11-02 17:16         ` David Howells
2006-11-02 17:16           ` David Howells
2006-11-02 19:49           ` Trond Myklebust
2006-11-02 20:38             ` David Howells
2006-11-02 20:38               ` David Howells
2006-11-02 21:24               ` Trond Myklebust
2006-11-03 10:27                 ` David Howells
2006-11-03 10:27                   ` David Howells
2006-11-03 13:41                   ` Trond Myklebust
2006-11-03 15:23                     ` David Howells
2006-11-03 15:23                       ` David Howells
2006-11-03 17:30                       ` Trond Myklebust
2006-11-14 19:22                         ` David Howells
2006-11-14 19:22                           ` David Howells
2006-11-15 14:05                           ` Trond Myklebust
2006-11-15 15:28                             ` David Howells
2006-11-15 15:28                               ` David Howells
2006-11-15 16:41                               ` Trond Myklebust
2006-11-15 18:17                                 ` David Howells
2006-11-15 18:17                                   ` David Howells
2006-11-03 15:33                     ` David Howells
2006-11-03 15:33                       ` David Howells
2006-11-02 20:33           ` Stephen Smalley
2006-11-02 20:33             ` Stephen Smalley
2006-11-02 21:05             ` David Howells
2006-11-02 21:05               ` David Howells

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