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From: Rusty Russell <rusty-8n+1lVoiYb80n/F98K4Iww@public.gmane.org>
To: Anthony Liguori <anthony-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Jimi Xenidis <jimix-aZOuKsOsJu3MbYB6QlFGEg@public.gmane.org>,
	Christian Borntraeger
	<cborntra-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	jmk-zzFmDc4TPjtKvsKVC3L/VUEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org,
	Herbert Xu
	<herbert-lOAM2aK0SrRLBo1qDEOMRrpzq4S04n8Q@public.gmane.org>,
	carsteno-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org,
	mschwid2-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org,
	kvm-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH/RFC 7/9] Virtual network guest device driver
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 12:39:15 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1179110355.23513.179.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4647418A.2040201-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>

On Sun, 2007-05-13 at 11:49 -0500, Anthony Liguori wrote:
> Dor Laor wrote:
> > Furthermore,
> >   
> >> the plan is to completely rearchitect the netback/netfront protocol for
> >> the next Xen release (this effort is referred to netchannel2).
> > It's looks like generalizing all the level 0,1,2 features plus
> > performance optimizations. It's not something we couldn't upgrade to.
> 
> I'm curious what Rusty thinks as I do not know nearly enough about the 
> networking subsystem to make an educated statement here.  Would it be 
> better to just try and generalize netback/netfront or build something 
> from scratch?  Could the lguest driver be generalized more easily?

In turn, I'm curious as to Herbert's opinions on this.

	The lguest netdriver has only two features: it's small, and it does
multi-way inter-guest networking as well as guest<->host.  It's not
clear how much the latter wins in real life over a point-to-point comms
system.

	My interest is in a common low-level transport.  My experience is that
it's easy to create an efficient comms channel between a guest and host
(ie. one side can access the others' memory), but it's worthwhile trying
for a model which transparently allows untrusted comms (ie.
hypervisor-assisted to access the other guest's memory).  That's easier
if you only want point-to-point (see lguest's io.c for a more general
solution).

Cheers,
Rusty.


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     [not found] <1178903957.25135.13.camel@cotte.boeblingen.de.ibm.com>
     [not found] ` <1178903957.25135.13.camel-WIxn4w2hgUz3YA32ykw5MLlKpX0K8NHHQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-11 17:35   ` [PATCH/RFC 2/9] s390 virtualization interface Carsten Otte
2007-05-11 17:35   ` [PATCH/RFC 3/9] s390 guest detection Carsten Otte
2007-05-11 17:35   ` [PATCH/RFC 4/9] Basic guest virtual devices infrastructure Carsten Otte
     [not found]     ` <1178904958.25135.31.camel-WIxn4w2hgUz3YA32ykw5MLlKpX0K8NHHQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-11 20:06       ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-05-14 11:26       ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]         ` <46484753.30602-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-14 11:43           ` Carsten Otte
     [not found]             ` <46484B5D.6080605-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-14 12:00               ` [PATCH/RFC 4/9] Basic guest virtualdevices infrastructure Dor Laor
     [not found]                 ` <64F9B87B6B770947A9F8391472E032160BC7483D-yEcIvxbTEBqsx+V+t5oei8rau4O3wl8o3fe8/T/H7NteoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-14 13:32                   ` Carsten Otte
2007-05-11 17:36   ` [PATCH/RFC 5/9] s390 virtual console for guests Carsten Otte
     [not found]     ` <1178904960.25135.32.camel-WIxn4w2hgUz3YA32ykw5MLlKpX0K8NHHQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-11 19:00       ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]         ` <4644BD3C.8040901-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-11 19:42           ` Christian Bornträger
2007-05-12  8:07           ` Carsten Otte
2007-05-14 16:23           ` Christian Bornträger
     [not found]             ` <200705141823.13424.cborntra-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-14 16:48               ` Christian Borntraeger
     [not found]                 ` <200705141848.18996.borntrae-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-14 17:49                   ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                     ` <4648A11D.3050607-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-15  0:27                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-05-15  7:54                       ` Carsten Otte
2007-05-11 17:36   ` [PATCH/RFC 6/9] virtual block device driver Carsten Otte
     [not found]     ` <1178904963.25135.33.camel-WIxn4w2hgUz3YA32ykw5MLlKpX0K8NHHQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-14 11:49       ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]         ` <46484CDF.505-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-14 13:23           ` Carsten Otte
     [not found]             ` <464862E9.7020105-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-14 14:39               ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                 ` <46487494.1070802-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-15 11:47                   ` Carsten Otte
     [not found]                     ` <46499DE9.9090202-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-16 10:01                       ` Avi Kivity
2007-05-14 11:52       ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]         ` <46484D84.3060601-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-14 13:26           ` Carsten Otte
2007-05-11 17:36   ` [PATCH/RFC 7/9] Virtual network guest " Carsten Otte
     [not found]     ` <1178904965.25135.34.camel-WIxn4w2hgUz3YA32ykw5MLlKpX0K8NHHQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-11 19:44       ` ron minnich
     [not found]         ` <13426df10705111244w1578ebedy8259bc42ca1f588d-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-11 20:12           ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]             ` <4644CE15.6080505-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-11 21:15               ` Eric Van Hensbergen
     [not found]                 ` <a4e6962a0705111415n47e77a15o331b59cf2a03b4-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-11 21:47                   ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                     ` <4644E456.2060507-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-11 22:21                       ` Eric Van Hensbergen
     [not found]                         ` <a4e6962a0705111521v2d451ddcjecf209e2031c85af-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-16 17:28                           ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                             ` <464B3F20.4030904-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-16 17:38                               ` Daniel P. Berrange
     [not found]                                 ` <20070516173822.GD16863-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-17  9:29                                   ` Carsten Otte
     [not found]                                     ` <464C2069.20909-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-17 14:22                                       ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                                         ` <464C651F.5070700-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-21 11:11                                           ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-05-16 17:41                               ` Eric Van Hensbergen
     [not found]                                 ` <a4e6962a0705161041s5393c1a6wc455b20ff3fe8106-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-16 18:47                                   ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                                     ` <464B51A8.7050307-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-16 19:33                                       ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2007-05-16 17:45                               ` Gregory Haskins
     [not found]                                 ` <464B0ADB.BA47.005A.0-Et1tbQHTxzrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-16 18:39                                   ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                                     ` <464B4FEB.7070300-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-16 18:57                                       ` Gregory Haskins
     [not found]                                         ` <464B1B9C.BA47.005A.0-Et1tbQHTxzrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-16 19:10                                           ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                                             ` <464B572C.6090800-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-17  4:24                                               ` Rusty Russell
     [not found]                                                 ` <1179375881.21871.83.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-17 16:13                                                   ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                                                     ` <464C7F45.50908-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-17 23:34                                                       ` Rusty Russell
2007-05-21  9:07                                               ` Christian Borntraeger
     [not found]                                                 ` <OFC1AADF6F.DB57C7AC-ON422572E2.0030BE22-422572E2.0032174C-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-21  9:27                                                   ` Cornelia Huck
2007-05-21 11:28                                                   ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]                                                     ` <200705211328.04565.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-21 11:56                                                       ` Cornelia Huck
     [not found]                                                         ` <20070521135628.17a4f9cc-XQvu0L+U/CiXI4yAdoq52KN5r0PSdgG1zG2AekJRRhI@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-21 13:53                                                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-05-21 18:45                                                       ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                                                         ` <4651E8D1.4010208-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-21 23:09                                                           ` ron minnich
     [not found]                                                             ` <13426df10705211609j613032c6j373d9a4660f8ec6c-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-22  0:29                                                               ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                                                                 ` <46523952.7070405-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-22  0:45                                                                   ` ron minnich
     [not found]                                                                     ` <13426df10705211745r69acc95ai458b2192fe0d0132-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-22  1:13                                                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2007-05-22  1:34                                                                   ` Eric Van Hensbergen
     [not found]                                                                     ` <a4e6962a0705211834s4db19c7t3b95765bf2c092d7-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-22  1:42                                                                       ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                                                                         ` <46524A79.8070004-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-22  5:17                                                                           ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                                                             ` <46527CD9.5000603-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-22 12:49                                                                               ` Eric Van Hensbergen
     [not found]                                                                                 ` <a4e6962a0705220549j1c9565f2ic160c672b74aea35-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-22 12:56                                                                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]                                                                                     ` <20070522125655.GA4506-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-22 14:50                                                                                       ` Eric Van Hensbergen
     [not found]                                                                                         ` <a4e6962a0705220750s5abe380dg8dd8e7d0b84de7cd-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-22 15:05                                                                                           ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                                                                                             ` <465306AE.5080902-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-22 15:31                                                                                               ` ron minnich
2007-05-22 16:25                                                                                               ` Eric Van Hensbergen
     [not found]                                                                                                 ` <a4e6962a0705220925l580f136we269380fe3c9691c-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-22 17:00                                                                                                   ` ron minnich
     [not found]                                                                                                     ` <13426df10705221000i749badc5h8afe4f2fc95bc2ce-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-22 17:06                                                                                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]                                                                                                         ` <20070522170628.GA16624-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-22 17:34                                                                                                           ` ron minnich
     [not found]                                                                                                             ` <13426df10705221034k7baf5bccrc77aabca8c9e225c-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-22 20:03                                                                                                               ` Dor Laor
     [not found]                                                                                                                 ` <64F9B87B6B770947A9F8391472E032160BF29F1E-yEcIvxbTEBqsx+V+t5oei8rau4O3wl8o3fe8/T/H7NteoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-22 20:10                                                                                                                   ` ron minnich
2007-05-22 22:56                                                                                                                   ` Nakajima, Jun
     [not found]                                                                                                                     ` <8FFF7E42E93CC646B632AB40643802A8032793AC-1a9uaKK1+wJcIJlls4ac1rfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-23  8:15                                                                                                                       ` Carsten Otte
     [not found]                                                                                                                         ` <4653F807.2010209-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-23 12:25                                                                                                                           ` Avi Kivity
2007-05-23 14:12                                                                                                                           ` Eric Van Hensbergen
     [not found]                                                                                                                             ` <a4e6962a0705230712pd8c2958m9dee6b2ccec0899d-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-23 23:02                                                                                                                               ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]                                                                                                                                 ` <200705240102.40795.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-23 23:57                                                                                                                                   ` Eric Van Hensbergen
     [not found]                                                                                                                                     ` <a4e6962a0705231657n65946ba4n74393f7028b6d61c-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-24  0:07                                                                                                                                       ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2007-05-23 12:21                                                                                                                       ` Avi Kivity
2007-05-23 12:16                                                                                                           ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                                                                                             ` <465430B2.7050101-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-23 12:20                                                                                                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-05-23 12:20                                                                                                       ` Avi Kivity
2007-05-23 11:55                                                                                           ` Avi Kivity
2007-05-22 13:08                                                                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2007-05-18  5:31                               ` ron minnich
     [not found]                                 ` <13426df10705172231y5e93d1f5y398d4f187a8978e1-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-18 14:31                                   ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                                     ` <464DB8A5.6080503-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-18 15:14                                       ` ron minnich
2007-05-11 21:51               ` ron minnich
2007-05-12  8:46           ` Carsten Otte
     [not found]             ` <46457EF9.2070706-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-13 12:04               ` Dor Laor
     [not found]                 ` <64F9B87B6B770947A9F8391472E032160BC74612-yEcIvxbTEBqsx+V+t5oei8rau4O3wl8o3fe8/T/H7NteoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-13 14:49                   ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                     ` <4647257F.4020900-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-13 16:23                       ` Dor Laor
     [not found]                         ` <64F9B87B6B770947A9F8391472E032160BC74675-yEcIvxbTEBqsx+V+t5oei8rau4O3wl8o3fe8/T/H7NteoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-13 16:49                           ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                             ` <4647418A.2040201-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-13 17:06                               ` Muli Ben-Yehuda
     [not found]                                 ` <20070513170608.GA4343-WD1JZD8MxeCTrf4lBMg6DdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-13 20:31                                   ` Dor Laor
2007-05-14  2:39                               ` Rusty Russell [this message]
2007-05-14 11:53                               ` Avi Kivity
2007-05-14 12:05           ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]             ` <46485070.3000106-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-14 12:24               ` Christian Bornträger
     [not found]                 ` <200705141424.44423.cborntra-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-14 12:32                   ` Avi Kivity
2007-05-14 13:36               ` Carsten Otte
2007-05-11 17:36   ` [PATCH/RFC 8/9] Virtual network host switch support Carsten Otte
     [not found]     ` <1178904968.25135.35.camel-WIxn4w2hgUz3YA32ykw5MLlKpX0K8NHHQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-11 20:21       ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]         ` <4644D048.7060106-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-11 20:50           ` Christian Bornträger
2007-05-11 17:36   ` [PATCH/RFC 9/9] Fix system<->user misaccount of interpreted execution Carsten Otte

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