From: Arnd Bergmann <arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
To: kvm-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org
Cc: Jimi Xenidis <jimix-aZOuKsOsJu3MbYB6QlFGEg@public.gmane.org>,
"jmk-zzFmDc4TPjtKvsKVC3L/VUEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org"
<jmk-zzFmDc4TPjtKvsKVC3L/VUEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org>,
Christian Borntraeger
<CBORNTRA-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
mschwid2-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org,
Suzanne McIntosh
<skranjac-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH/RFC 7/9] Virtual network guest device driver
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 13:28:03 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200705211328.04565.arnd@arndb.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <OFC1AADF6F.DB57C7AC-ON422572E2.0030BE22-422572E2.0032174C-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
On Monday 21 May 2007, Christian Borntraeger wrote:
> > This is quite easy with KVM. I like the approach that vmchannel has
> > taken. A simple PCI device. That gives you a discovery mechanism for
> > shared memory and an interrupt and then you can just implement a ring
> > queue using those mechanisms (along with a PIO port for signaling from
> > the guest to the host). So given that underlying mechanism, the
> > question is how to expose that within the guest kernel/userspace and
> > within the host.
>
> Sorry for answering late, but I dont like PCI as a device bus for all
> platforms. s390 has no PCI and s390 has no PIO. I would prefer a new
> simple hypercall based virtual bus. I dont know much about windows
> driver programming, but I guess it it is not that hard to add a new bus.
We've had the same discussion about PCI as virtual device abstraction
recently when hpa made the suggestions to get a set of PCI device
numbers registered for Linux.
IIRC, the conclusion to which we came was that it is indeed helpful
for most architecture to have a PCI device as one way to probe for
the functionality, but not to rely on it. s390 is the obvious
example where you can't have PCI, but you may also want to build
a guest kernel without PCI support because of space constraints
in a many-guests machine.
What I think would be ideal is to have a new bus type in Linux
that does not have any dependency on PCI itself, but can be
easily implemented as a child of a PCI device.
If we only need the stuff mentioned by Anthony, the interface could
look like
struct vmchannel_device {
struct resource virt_mem;
struct vm_device_id id;
int irq;
int (*signal)(struct vmchannel_device *);
int (*irq_ack)(struct vmchannel_device *);
struct device dev;
};
Such a device can easily be provided as a child of a PCI device,
or as something that is purely virtual based on an hcall interface.
Arnd <><
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[not found] ` <1178903957.25135.13.camel-WIxn4w2hgUz3YA32ykw5MLlKpX0K8NHHQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-11 17:35 ` [PATCH/RFC 2/9] s390 virtualization interface Carsten Otte
2007-05-11 17:35 ` [PATCH/RFC 3/9] s390 guest detection Carsten Otte
2007-05-11 17:35 ` [PATCH/RFC 4/9] Basic guest virtual devices infrastructure Carsten Otte
[not found] ` <1178904958.25135.31.camel-WIxn4w2hgUz3YA32ykw5MLlKpX0K8NHHQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-11 20:06 ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-05-14 11:26 ` Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <46484753.30602-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-14 11:43 ` Carsten Otte
[not found] ` <46484B5D.6080605-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-14 12:00 ` [PATCH/RFC 4/9] Basic guest virtualdevices infrastructure Dor Laor
[not found] ` <64F9B87B6B770947A9F8391472E032160BC7483D-yEcIvxbTEBqsx+V+t5oei8rau4O3wl8o3fe8/T/H7NteoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-14 13:32 ` Carsten Otte
2007-05-11 17:36 ` [PATCH/RFC 5/9] s390 virtual console for guests Carsten Otte
[not found] ` <1178904960.25135.32.camel-WIxn4w2hgUz3YA32ykw5MLlKpX0K8NHHQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-11 19:00 ` Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <4644BD3C.8040901-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-11 19:42 ` Christian Bornträger
2007-05-12 8:07 ` Carsten Otte
2007-05-14 16:23 ` Christian Bornträger
[not found] ` <200705141823.13424.cborntra-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-14 16:48 ` Christian Borntraeger
[not found] ` <200705141848.18996.borntrae-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-14 17:49 ` Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <4648A11D.3050607-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-15 0:27 ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-05-15 7:54 ` Carsten Otte
2007-05-11 17:36 ` [PATCH/RFC 6/9] virtual block device driver Carsten Otte
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2007-05-14 11:49 ` Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <46484CDF.505-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-14 13:23 ` Carsten Otte
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2007-05-14 14:39 ` Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <46487494.1070802-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-15 11:47 ` Carsten Otte
[not found] ` <46499DE9.9090202-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-16 10:01 ` Avi Kivity
2007-05-14 11:52 ` Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <46484D84.3060601-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-14 13:26 ` Carsten Otte
2007-05-11 17:36 ` [PATCH/RFC 7/9] Virtual network guest " Carsten Otte
[not found] ` <1178904965.25135.34.camel-WIxn4w2hgUz3YA32ykw5MLlKpX0K8NHHQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-11 19:44 ` ron minnich
[not found] ` <13426df10705111244w1578ebedy8259bc42ca1f588d-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-11 20:12 ` Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <4644CE15.6080505-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-11 21:15 ` Eric Van Hensbergen
[not found] ` <a4e6962a0705111415n47e77a15o331b59cf2a03b4-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-11 21:47 ` Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <4644E456.2060507-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-11 22:21 ` Eric Van Hensbergen
[not found] ` <a4e6962a0705111521v2d451ddcjecf209e2031c85af-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-16 17:28 ` Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <464B3F20.4030904-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-16 17:38 ` Daniel P. Berrange
[not found] ` <20070516173822.GD16863-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-17 9:29 ` Carsten Otte
[not found] ` <464C2069.20909-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-17 14:22 ` Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <464C651F.5070700-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-21 11:11 ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-05-16 17:41 ` Eric Van Hensbergen
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2007-05-16 18:47 ` Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <464B51A8.7050307-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-16 19:33 ` Eric Van Hensbergen
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[not found] ` <464B0ADB.BA47.005A.0-Et1tbQHTxzrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-16 18:39 ` Anthony Liguori
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2007-05-16 18:57 ` Gregory Haskins
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2007-05-16 19:10 ` Anthony Liguori
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2007-05-17 4:24 ` Rusty Russell
[not found] ` <1179375881.21871.83.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-17 16:13 ` Anthony Liguori
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2007-05-17 23:34 ` Rusty Russell
2007-05-21 9:07 ` Christian Borntraeger
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2007-05-21 11:28 ` Arnd Bergmann [this message]
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2007-05-21 11:56 ` Cornelia Huck
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2007-05-21 13:53 ` Arnd Bergmann
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2007-05-21 23:09 ` ron minnich
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2007-05-22 0:29 ` Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <46523952.7070405-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-22 0:45 ` ron minnich
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2007-05-22 1:13 ` Anthony Liguori
2007-05-22 1:34 ` Eric Van Hensbergen
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2007-05-22 1:42 ` Anthony Liguori
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2007-05-22 17:06 ` Christoph Hellwig
[not found] ` <20070522170628.GA16624-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
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2007-05-22 20:03 ` Dor Laor
[not found] ` <64F9B87B6B770947A9F8391472E032160BF29F1E-yEcIvxbTEBqsx+V+t5oei8rau4O3wl8o3fe8/T/H7NteoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-22 20:10 ` ron minnich
2007-05-22 22:56 ` Nakajima, Jun
[not found] ` <8FFF7E42E93CC646B632AB40643802A8032793AC-1a9uaKK1+wJcIJlls4ac1rfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-23 8:15 ` Carsten Otte
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2007-05-23 12:25 ` Avi Kivity
2007-05-23 14:12 ` Eric Van Hensbergen
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2007-05-23 23:02 ` Arnd Bergmann
[not found] ` <200705240102.40795.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-23 23:57 ` Eric Van Hensbergen
[not found] ` <a4e6962a0705231657n65946ba4n74393f7028b6d61c-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-24 0:07 ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2007-05-23 12:21 ` Avi Kivity
2007-05-23 12:16 ` Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <465430B2.7050101-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-23 12:20 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-05-23 12:20 ` Avi Kivity
2007-05-23 11:55 ` Avi Kivity
2007-05-22 13:08 ` Anthony Liguori
2007-05-18 5:31 ` ron minnich
[not found] ` <13426df10705172231y5e93d1f5y398d4f187a8978e1-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
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2007-05-18 15:14 ` ron minnich
2007-05-11 21:51 ` ron minnich
2007-05-12 8:46 ` Carsten Otte
[not found] ` <46457EF9.2070706-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-13 12:04 ` Dor Laor
[not found] ` <64F9B87B6B770947A9F8391472E032160BC74612-yEcIvxbTEBqsx+V+t5oei8rau4O3wl8o3fe8/T/H7NteoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-13 14:49 ` Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <4647257F.4020900-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-13 16:23 ` Dor Laor
[not found] ` <64F9B87B6B770947A9F8391472E032160BC74675-yEcIvxbTEBqsx+V+t5oei8rau4O3wl8o3fe8/T/H7NteoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-13 16:49 ` Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <4647418A.2040201-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-13 17:06 ` Muli Ben-Yehuda
[not found] ` <20070513170608.GA4343-WD1JZD8MxeCTrf4lBMg6DdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-13 20:31 ` Dor Laor
2007-05-14 2:39 ` Rusty Russell
2007-05-14 11:53 ` Avi Kivity
2007-05-14 12:05 ` Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <46485070.3000106-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-14 12:24 ` Christian Bornträger
[not found] ` <200705141424.44423.cborntra-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-14 12:32 ` Avi Kivity
2007-05-14 13:36 ` Carsten Otte
2007-05-11 17:36 ` [PATCH/RFC 8/9] Virtual network host switch support Carsten Otte
[not found] ` <1178904968.25135.35.camel-WIxn4w2hgUz3YA32ykw5MLlKpX0K8NHHQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-11 20:21 ` Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <4644D048.7060106-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-11 20:50 ` Christian Bornträger
2007-05-11 17:36 ` [PATCH/RFC 9/9] Fix system<->user misaccount of interpreted execution Carsten Otte
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