From: Carsten Otte <cotte-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: "Nakajima, Jun" <jun.nakajima-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Jimi Xenidis <jimix-aZOuKsOsJu3MbYB6QlFGEg@public.gmane.org>,
jmk-zzFmDc4TPjtKvsKVC3L/VUEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org,
Christian Borntraeger
<CBORNTRA-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
mschwid2-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org,
Christoph Hellwig <hch-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>,
Suzanne McIntosh
<skranjac-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
kvm-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH/RFC 7/9] Virtual network guest device driver
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 10:15:03 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4653F807.2010209@de.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8FFF7E42E93CC646B632AB40643802A8032793AC-1a9uaKK1+wJcIJlls4ac1rfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
I have been closely following thisvery interresting discussion. Here's
my summary:
- PV capabilities is something we'll want
- being able to surface virtual devices to the guest as PCI is
preferable to Windows
- we need an additional way to surface virtual devices to the guest.
We don't have PCI on s390, and Ron doesn't want PCI in his guests.
- complex interfaces are a mess to implement and maintain in different
hypervisors and guest operating systems, we need a simple and clear
structure like plan9 has today
To me, it looks like we need a virtual device abstraction both in the
guest kernel and in the kvm/qemu. This abstraction needs to be simple
and fast, and needs to be representable as PCI device and in a simpler
way. PCI obstacles are supposed to be transparent to the virutal device.
For me, plan9 does provide answers to a lot of above requirements.
However, it does not provide capabilities for shared memory and it
adds extra complexity. It's been designed to solve a different problem.
I think the virtual device abstraction should provide the following
functionality:
- hypercall guest to host with parameters and return value
- interrupt from host to guest with parameters
- thin interrupt from host to guest, no parameters
- shared memory between guest and host
- dma access to guest memory, possibly via kmap on the host
- copy from/to guest memory
so long,
Carsten
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[not found] ` <1178903957.25135.13.camel-WIxn4w2hgUz3YA32ykw5MLlKpX0K8NHHQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-11 17:35 ` [PATCH/RFC 2/9] s390 virtualization interface Carsten Otte
2007-05-11 17:35 ` [PATCH/RFC 3/9] s390 guest detection Carsten Otte
2007-05-11 17:35 ` [PATCH/RFC 4/9] Basic guest virtual devices infrastructure Carsten Otte
[not found] ` <1178904958.25135.31.camel-WIxn4w2hgUz3YA32ykw5MLlKpX0K8NHHQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-11 20:06 ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-05-14 11:26 ` Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <46484753.30602-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-14 11:43 ` Carsten Otte
[not found] ` <46484B5D.6080605-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-14 12:00 ` [PATCH/RFC 4/9] Basic guest virtualdevices infrastructure Dor Laor
[not found] ` <64F9B87B6B770947A9F8391472E032160BC7483D-yEcIvxbTEBqsx+V+t5oei8rau4O3wl8o3fe8/T/H7NteoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-14 13:32 ` Carsten Otte
2007-05-11 17:36 ` [PATCH/RFC 5/9] s390 virtual console for guests Carsten Otte
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2007-05-11 19:00 ` Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <4644BD3C.8040901-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-11 19:42 ` Christian Bornträger
2007-05-12 8:07 ` Carsten Otte
2007-05-14 16:23 ` Christian Bornträger
[not found] ` <200705141823.13424.cborntra-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-14 16:48 ` Christian Borntraeger
[not found] ` <200705141848.18996.borntrae-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-14 17:49 ` Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <4648A11D.3050607-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-15 0:27 ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-05-15 7:54 ` Carsten Otte
2007-05-11 17:36 ` [PATCH/RFC 6/9] virtual block device driver Carsten Otte
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2007-05-14 11:49 ` Avi Kivity
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2007-05-14 13:23 ` Carsten Otte
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2007-05-14 14:39 ` Avi Kivity
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2007-05-15 11:47 ` Carsten Otte
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2007-05-16 10:01 ` Avi Kivity
2007-05-14 11:52 ` Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <46484D84.3060601-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-14 13:26 ` Carsten Otte
2007-05-11 17:36 ` [PATCH/RFC 7/9] Virtual network guest " Carsten Otte
[not found] ` <1178904965.25135.34.camel-WIxn4w2hgUz3YA32ykw5MLlKpX0K8NHHQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-11 19:44 ` ron minnich
[not found] ` <13426df10705111244w1578ebedy8259bc42ca1f588d-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-11 20:12 ` Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <4644CE15.6080505-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-11 21:15 ` Eric Van Hensbergen
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2007-05-11 21:47 ` Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <4644E456.2060507-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-11 22:21 ` Eric Van Hensbergen
[not found] ` <a4e6962a0705111521v2d451ddcjecf209e2031c85af-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-16 17:28 ` Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <464B3F20.4030904-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-16 17:38 ` Daniel P. Berrange
[not found] ` <20070516173822.GD16863-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-17 9:29 ` Carsten Otte
[not found] ` <464C2069.20909-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-17 14:22 ` Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <464C651F.5070700-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-21 11:11 ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-05-16 17:41 ` Eric Van Hensbergen
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2007-05-16 18:47 ` Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <464B51A8.7050307-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-16 19:33 ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2007-05-16 17:45 ` Gregory Haskins
[not found] ` <464B0ADB.BA47.005A.0-Et1tbQHTxzrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-16 18:39 ` Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <464B4FEB.7070300-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-16 18:57 ` Gregory Haskins
[not found] ` <464B1B9C.BA47.005A.0-Et1tbQHTxzrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-16 19:10 ` Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <464B572C.6090800-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-17 4:24 ` Rusty Russell
[not found] ` <1179375881.21871.83.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-17 16:13 ` Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <464C7F45.50908-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-17 23:34 ` Rusty Russell
2007-05-21 9:07 ` Christian Borntraeger
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2007-05-21 9:27 ` Cornelia Huck
2007-05-21 11:28 ` Arnd Bergmann
[not found] ` <200705211328.04565.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-21 11:56 ` Cornelia Huck
[not found] ` <20070521135628.17a4f9cc-XQvu0L+U/CiXI4yAdoq52KN5r0PSdgG1zG2AekJRRhI@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-21 13:53 ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-05-21 18:45 ` Anthony Liguori
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2007-05-21 23:09 ` ron minnich
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2007-05-22 0:29 ` Anthony Liguori
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2007-05-22 0:45 ` ron minnich
[not found] ` <13426df10705211745r69acc95ai458b2192fe0d0132-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-22 1:13 ` Anthony Liguori
2007-05-22 1:34 ` Eric Van Hensbergen
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2007-05-22 1:42 ` Anthony Liguori
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2007-05-22 5:17 ` Avi Kivity
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2007-05-22 12:49 ` Eric Van Hensbergen
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2007-05-22 12:56 ` Christoph Hellwig
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2007-05-22 14:50 ` Eric Van Hensbergen
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2007-05-22 15:05 ` Anthony Liguori
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2007-05-22 15:31 ` ron minnich
2007-05-22 16:25 ` Eric Van Hensbergen
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2007-05-22 17:00 ` ron minnich
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2007-05-22 17:06 ` Christoph Hellwig
[not found] ` <20070522170628.GA16624-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-22 17:34 ` ron minnich
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2007-05-22 20:03 ` Dor Laor
[not found] ` <64F9B87B6B770947A9F8391472E032160BF29F1E-yEcIvxbTEBqsx+V+t5oei8rau4O3wl8o3fe8/T/H7NteoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-22 20:10 ` ron minnich
2007-05-22 22:56 ` Nakajima, Jun
[not found] ` <8FFF7E42E93CC646B632AB40643802A8032793AC-1a9uaKK1+wJcIJlls4ac1rfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-23 8:15 ` Carsten Otte [this message]
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2007-05-23 12:25 ` Avi Kivity
2007-05-23 14:12 ` Eric Van Hensbergen
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2007-05-23 23:02 ` Arnd Bergmann
[not found] ` <200705240102.40795.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-23 23:57 ` Eric Van Hensbergen
[not found] ` <a4e6962a0705231657n65946ba4n74393f7028b6d61c-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-24 0:07 ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2007-05-23 12:21 ` Avi Kivity
2007-05-23 12:16 ` Avi Kivity
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2007-05-23 12:20 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-05-23 12:20 ` Avi Kivity
2007-05-23 11:55 ` Avi Kivity
2007-05-22 13:08 ` Anthony Liguori
2007-05-18 5:31 ` ron minnich
[not found] ` <13426df10705172231y5e93d1f5y398d4f187a8978e1-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-18 14:31 ` Anthony Liguori
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2007-05-18 15:14 ` ron minnich
2007-05-11 21:51 ` ron minnich
2007-05-12 8:46 ` Carsten Otte
[not found] ` <46457EF9.2070706-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-13 12:04 ` Dor Laor
[not found] ` <64F9B87B6B770947A9F8391472E032160BC74612-yEcIvxbTEBqsx+V+t5oei8rau4O3wl8o3fe8/T/H7NteoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-13 14:49 ` Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <4647257F.4020900-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-13 16:23 ` Dor Laor
[not found] ` <64F9B87B6B770947A9F8391472E032160BC74675-yEcIvxbTEBqsx+V+t5oei8rau4O3wl8o3fe8/T/H7NteoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-13 16:49 ` Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <4647418A.2040201-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-13 17:06 ` Muli Ben-Yehuda
[not found] ` <20070513170608.GA4343-WD1JZD8MxeCTrf4lBMg6DdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-13 20:31 ` Dor Laor
2007-05-14 2:39 ` Rusty Russell
2007-05-14 11:53 ` Avi Kivity
2007-05-14 12:05 ` Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <46485070.3000106-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-14 12:24 ` Christian Bornträger
[not found] ` <200705141424.44423.cborntra-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-14 12:32 ` Avi Kivity
2007-05-14 13:36 ` Carsten Otte
2007-05-11 17:36 ` [PATCH/RFC 8/9] Virtual network host switch support Carsten Otte
[not found] ` <1178904968.25135.35.camel-WIxn4w2hgUz3YA32ykw5MLlKpX0K8NHHQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-11 20:21 ` Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <4644D048.7060106-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-11 20:50 ` Christian Bornträger
2007-05-11 17:36 ` [PATCH/RFC 9/9] Fix system<->user misaccount of interpreted execution Carsten Otte
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