From: Hollis Blanchard <hollisb@us.ibm.com>
To: Avi Kivity <avi-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: kvm-ppc-devel
<kvm-ppc-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org>,
kvm-devel
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Subject: Re: [kvm-ppc-devel] [kvm-devel] RFC: MMIO endianness flag
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 16:22:40 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1200414160.9142.1.camel@basalt> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <478CC9EF.9020907-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
On Tue, 2008-01-15 at 16:57 +0200, Avi Kivity wrote:
> Hollis Blanchard wrote:
> >> btw, isn't passthrough better handled through the tlb? i.e. actually
> >> let the guest access the specially-configured memory? You can have qemu
> >> mmap /dev/mem and install it as a memslot, and things should work, no?
> >> (well, you might need to set some cachablility flag or other).
> >>
> >
> > Hmm, yes you're right. Of course, qemu offers greater flexibility than
> > MMUs (which are limited to page-sized granularity, for example), so it
> > might still be useful to have qemu intercede.
> >
> >
>
> With the endian-aware instructions that doesn't matter, since you set
> the endianness on a per-instruction granularity. And with guest tlb
> controlled endianness, surely you get page granularity as well?
>
>
> > Since we're defining a stable ABI, I'd rather have the information
> > present than miss it in the future...
>
> So now the question is, do we see the need for qemu to intercept writes
> to pass-through devices? IMO the answer is no. If it doesn't
> understand anything about the device, it would be better off doing a
> real pass through. If it does understand the device, it should know
> which endianness it likes.
OK, I'm willing to go along with this, and hope that we don't run into
another use case for an endianness flag in the future.
--
Hollis Blanchard
IBM Linux Technology Center
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From: Hollis Blanchard <hollisb-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: Avi Kivity <avi-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: kvm-ppc-devel
<kvm-ppc-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org>,
kvm-devel
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Subject: Re: [kvm-ppc-devel] RFC: MMIO endianness flag
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 10:22:40 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1200414160.9142.1.camel@basalt> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <478CC9EF.9020907-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
On Tue, 2008-01-15 at 16:57 +0200, Avi Kivity wrote:
> Hollis Blanchard wrote:
> >> btw, isn't passthrough better handled through the tlb? i.e. actually
> >> let the guest access the specially-configured memory? You can have qemu
> >> mmap /dev/mem and install it as a memslot, and things should work, no?
> >> (well, you might need to set some cachablility flag or other).
> >>
> >
> > Hmm, yes you're right. Of course, qemu offers greater flexibility than
> > MMUs (which are limited to page-sized granularity, for example), so it
> > might still be useful to have qemu intercede.
> >
> >
>
> With the endian-aware instructions that doesn't matter, since you set
> the endianness on a per-instruction granularity. And with guest tlb
> controlled endianness, surely you get page granularity as well?
>
>
> > Since we're defining a stable ABI, I'd rather have the information
> > present than miss it in the future...
>
> So now the question is, do we see the need for qemu to intercept writes
> to pass-through devices? IMO the answer is no. If it doesn't
> understand anything about the device, it would be better off doing a
> real pass through. If it does understand the device, it should know
> which endianness it likes.
OK, I'm willing to go along with this, and hope that we don't run into
another use case for an endianness flag in the future.
--
Hollis Blanchard
IBM Linux Technology Center
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-01-15 16:22 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-01-09 23:06 [kvm-ppc-devel] RFC: MMIO endianness flag Hollis Blanchard
2008-01-09 23:06 ` Hollis Blanchard
2008-01-10 6:56 ` [kvm-ppc-devel] " Avi Kivity
2008-01-10 6:56 ` Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <4785C199.9040002-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-10 15:23 ` [kvm-ppc-devel] " Hollis Blanchard
2008-01-10 15:23 ` Hollis Blanchard
2008-01-10 15:28 ` [kvm-ppc-devel] " Avi Kivity
2008-01-10 15:28 ` Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <4786398C.2090308-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-10 22:57 ` [kvm-ppc-devel] " Hollis Blanchard
2008-01-10 22:57 ` Hollis Blanchard
2008-01-11 2:02 ` [kvm-ppc-devel] [kvm-devel] " Xu, Anthony
2008-01-11 2:02 ` [kvm-ppc-devel] " Xu, Anthony
[not found] ` <51CFAB8CB6883745AE7B93B3E084EBE201620FD0-wq7ZOvIWXbOiAffOGbnezLfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-11 14:55 ` [kvm-ppc-devel] [kvm-devel] " Hollis Blanchard
2008-01-11 14:55 ` [kvm-ppc-devel] " Hollis Blanchard
2008-01-14 5:42 ` [kvm-ppc-devel] [kvm-devel] " Xu, Anthony
2008-01-14 5:42 ` [kvm-ppc-devel] " Xu, Anthony
[not found] ` <51CFAB8CB6883745AE7B93B3E084EBE2016214A1-wq7ZOvIWXbOiAffOGbnezLfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-14 16:53 ` [kvm-ppc-devel] [kvm-devel] " Hollis Blanchard
2008-01-14 16:53 ` [kvm-ppc-devel] " Hollis Blanchard
2008-01-13 9:42 ` [kvm-ppc-devel] [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
2008-01-13 9:42 ` [kvm-ppc-devel] " Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <4789DD0C.4010600-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-14 16:51 ` [kvm-ppc-devel] [kvm-devel] " Hollis Blanchard
2008-01-14 16:51 ` [kvm-ppc-devel] " Hollis Blanchard
2008-01-14 17:30 ` [kvm-ppc-devel] [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
2008-01-14 17:30 ` [kvm-ppc-devel] " Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <478B9C41.80105-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-14 20:43 ` [kvm-ppc-devel] [kvm-devel] " Hollis Blanchard
2008-01-14 20:43 ` [kvm-ppc-devel] " Hollis Blanchard
2008-01-15 14:57 ` [kvm-ppc-devel] [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
2008-01-15 14:57 ` [kvm-ppc-devel] " Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <478CC9EF.9020907-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-15 16:22 ` Hollis Blanchard [this message]
2008-01-15 16:22 ` Hollis Blanchard
2008-01-15 2:43 ` [kvm-ppc-devel] [kvm-devel] " Xu, Anthony
2008-01-15 2:43 ` [kvm-ppc-devel] " Xu, Anthony
[not found] ` <51CFAB8CB6883745AE7B93B3E084EBE2016217AB-wq7ZOvIWXbOiAffOGbnezLfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-15 3:54 ` [kvm-ppc-devel] [kvm-devel] " Hollis Blanchard
2008-01-15 3:54 ` [kvm-ppc-devel] " Hollis Blanchard
2008-01-10 15:37 ` Jimi Xenidis
2008-01-10 15:37 ` Jimi Xenidis
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