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From: Hollis Blanchard <hollisb@us.ibm.com>
To: Avi Kivity <avi-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: kvm-ppc-devel
	<kvm-ppc-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org>,
	kvm-devel
	<kvm-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [kvm-ppc-devel] [kvm-devel]  RFC: MMIO endianness flag
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 16:22:40 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1200414160.9142.1.camel@basalt> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <478CC9EF.9020907-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>

On Tue, 2008-01-15 at 16:57 +0200, Avi Kivity wrote:
> Hollis Blanchard wrote:
> >> btw, isn't passthrough better handled through the tlb?  i.e. actually 
> >> let the guest access the specially-configured memory?  You can have qemu 
> >> mmap /dev/mem and install it as a memslot, and things should work, no?  
> >> (well, you might need to set some cachablility flag or other).
> >>     
> >
> > Hmm, yes you're right. Of course, qemu offers greater flexibility than
> > MMUs (which are limited to page-sized granularity, for example), so it
> > might still be useful to have qemu intercede.
> >
> >   
> 
> With the endian-aware instructions that doesn't matter, since you set 
> the endianness on a per-instruction granularity.  And with guest tlb 
> controlled endianness, surely you get page granularity as well?
> 
> 
> > Since we're defining a stable ABI, I'd rather have the information
> > present than miss it in the future...
> 
> So now the question is, do we see the need for qemu to intercept writes 
> to pass-through devices?  IMO the answer is no.  If it doesn't 
> understand anything about the device, it would be better off doing a 
> real pass through.  If it does understand the device, it should know 
> which endianness it likes.

OK, I'm willing to go along with this, and hope that we don't run into
another use case for an endianness flag in the future.

-- 
Hollis Blanchard
IBM Linux Technology Center


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From: Hollis Blanchard <hollisb-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: Avi Kivity <avi-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: kvm-ppc-devel
	<kvm-ppc-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org>,
	kvm-devel
	<kvm-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [kvm-ppc-devel] RFC: MMIO endianness flag
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 10:22:40 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1200414160.9142.1.camel@basalt> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <478CC9EF.9020907-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>

On Tue, 2008-01-15 at 16:57 +0200, Avi Kivity wrote:
> Hollis Blanchard wrote:
> >> btw, isn't passthrough better handled through the tlb?  i.e. actually 
> >> let the guest access the specially-configured memory?  You can have qemu 
> >> mmap /dev/mem and install it as a memslot, and things should work, no?  
> >> (well, you might need to set some cachablility flag or other).
> >>     
> >
> > Hmm, yes you're right. Of course, qemu offers greater flexibility than
> > MMUs (which are limited to page-sized granularity, for example), so it
> > might still be useful to have qemu intercede.
> >
> >   
> 
> With the endian-aware instructions that doesn't matter, since you set 
> the endianness on a per-instruction granularity.  And with guest tlb 
> controlled endianness, surely you get page granularity as well?
> 
> 
> > Since we're defining a stable ABI, I'd rather have the information
> > present than miss it in the future...
> 
> So now the question is, do we see the need for qemu to intercept writes 
> to pass-through devices?  IMO the answer is no.  If it doesn't 
> understand anything about the device, it would be better off doing a 
> real pass through.  If it does understand the device, it should know 
> which endianness it likes.

OK, I'm willing to go along with this, and hope that we don't run into
another use case for an endianness flag in the future.

-- 
Hollis Blanchard
IBM Linux Technology Center


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-01-15 16:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-01-09 23:06 [kvm-ppc-devel] RFC: MMIO endianness flag Hollis Blanchard
2008-01-09 23:06 ` Hollis Blanchard
2008-01-10  6:56 ` [kvm-ppc-devel] " Avi Kivity
2008-01-10  6:56   ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]   ` <4785C199.9040002-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-10 15:23     ` [kvm-ppc-devel] " Hollis Blanchard
2008-01-10 15:23       ` Hollis Blanchard
2008-01-10 15:28       ` [kvm-ppc-devel] " Avi Kivity
2008-01-10 15:28         ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]         ` <4786398C.2090308-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-10 22:57           ` [kvm-ppc-devel] " Hollis Blanchard
2008-01-10 22:57             ` Hollis Blanchard
2008-01-11  2:02             ` [kvm-ppc-devel] [kvm-devel] " Xu, Anthony
2008-01-11  2:02               ` [kvm-ppc-devel] " Xu, Anthony
     [not found]               ` <51CFAB8CB6883745AE7B93B3E084EBE201620FD0-wq7ZOvIWXbOiAffOGbnezLfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-11 14:55                 ` [kvm-ppc-devel] [kvm-devel] " Hollis Blanchard
2008-01-11 14:55                   ` [kvm-ppc-devel] " Hollis Blanchard
2008-01-14  5:42                   ` [kvm-ppc-devel] [kvm-devel] " Xu, Anthony
2008-01-14  5:42                     ` [kvm-ppc-devel] " Xu, Anthony
     [not found]                     ` <51CFAB8CB6883745AE7B93B3E084EBE2016214A1-wq7ZOvIWXbOiAffOGbnezLfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-14 16:53                       ` [kvm-ppc-devel] [kvm-devel] " Hollis Blanchard
2008-01-14 16:53                         ` [kvm-ppc-devel] " Hollis Blanchard
2008-01-13  9:42             ` [kvm-ppc-devel] [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
2008-01-13  9:42               ` [kvm-ppc-devel] " Avi Kivity
     [not found]               ` <4789DD0C.4010600-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-14 16:51                 ` [kvm-ppc-devel] [kvm-devel] " Hollis Blanchard
2008-01-14 16:51                   ` [kvm-ppc-devel] " Hollis Blanchard
2008-01-14 17:30                   ` [kvm-ppc-devel] [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
2008-01-14 17:30                     ` [kvm-ppc-devel] " Avi Kivity
     [not found]                     ` <478B9C41.80105-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-14 20:43                       ` [kvm-ppc-devel] [kvm-devel] " Hollis Blanchard
2008-01-14 20:43                         ` [kvm-ppc-devel] " Hollis Blanchard
2008-01-15 14:57                         ` [kvm-ppc-devel] [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
2008-01-15 14:57                           ` [kvm-ppc-devel] " Avi Kivity
     [not found]                           ` <478CC9EF.9020907-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-15 16:22                             ` Hollis Blanchard [this message]
2008-01-15 16:22                               ` Hollis Blanchard
2008-01-15  2:43                   ` [kvm-ppc-devel] [kvm-devel] " Xu, Anthony
2008-01-15  2:43                     ` [kvm-ppc-devel] " Xu, Anthony
     [not found]                     ` <51CFAB8CB6883745AE7B93B3E084EBE2016217AB-wq7ZOvIWXbOiAffOGbnezLfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-15  3:54                       ` [kvm-ppc-devel] [kvm-devel] " Hollis Blanchard
2008-01-15  3:54                         ` [kvm-ppc-devel] " Hollis Blanchard
2008-01-10 15:37       ` Jimi Xenidis
2008-01-10 15:37         ` Jimi Xenidis

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