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From: Avi Kivity <avi@qumranet.com>
To: Hollis Blanchard <hollisb-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: kvm-ppc-devel
	<kvm-ppc-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org>,
	kvm-devel
	<kvm-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [kvm-ppc-devel] [kvm-devel]  RFC: MMIO endianness flag
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:57:51 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <478CC9EF.9020907@qumranet.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1200343421.29077.78.camel@basalt>

Hollis Blanchard wrote:
>> btw, isn't passthrough better handled through the tlb?  i.e. actually 
>> let the guest access the specially-configured memory?  You can have qemu 
>> mmap /dev/mem and install it as a memslot, and things should work, no?  
>> (well, you might need to set some cachablility flag or other).
>>     
>
> Hmm, yes you're right. Of course, qemu offers greater flexibility than
> MMUs (which are limited to page-sized granularity, for example), so it
> might still be useful to have qemu intercede.
>
>   

With the endian-aware instructions that doesn't matter, since you set 
the endianness on a per-instruction granularity.  And with guest tlb 
controlled endianness, surely you get page granularity as well?


> Since we're defining a stable ABI, I'd rather have the information
> present than miss it in the future...
>
>   

So now the question is, do we see the need for qemu to intercept writes 
to pass-through devices?  IMO the answer is no.  If it doesn't 
understand anything about the device, it would be better off doing a 
real pass through.  If it does understand the device, it should know 
which endianness it likes.

-- 
error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function


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From: Avi Kivity <avi-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
To: Hollis Blanchard <hollisb-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: kvm-ppc-devel
	<kvm-ppc-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org>,
	kvm-devel
	<kvm-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [kvm-ppc-devel] RFC: MMIO endianness flag
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 16:57:51 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <478CC9EF.9020907@qumranet.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1200343421.29077.78.camel@basalt>

Hollis Blanchard wrote:
>> btw, isn't passthrough better handled through the tlb?  i.e. actually 
>> let the guest access the specially-configured memory?  You can have qemu 
>> mmap /dev/mem and install it as a memslot, and things should work, no?  
>> (well, you might need to set some cachablility flag or other).
>>     
>
> Hmm, yes you're right. Of course, qemu offers greater flexibility than
> MMUs (which are limited to page-sized granularity, for example), so it
> might still be useful to have qemu intercede.
>
>   

With the endian-aware instructions that doesn't matter, since you set 
the endianness on a per-instruction granularity.  And with guest tlb 
controlled endianness, surely you get page granularity as well?


> Since we're defining a stable ABI, I'd rather have the information
> present than miss it in the future...
>
>   

So now the question is, do we see the need for qemu to intercept writes 
to pass-through devices?  IMO the answer is no.  If it doesn't 
understand anything about the device, it would be better off doing a 
real pass through.  If it does understand the device, it should know 
which endianness it likes.

-- 
error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function


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  reply	other threads:[~2008-01-15 14:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-01-09 23:06 [kvm-ppc-devel] RFC: MMIO endianness flag Hollis Blanchard
2008-01-09 23:06 ` Hollis Blanchard
2008-01-10  6:56 ` [kvm-ppc-devel] " Avi Kivity
2008-01-10  6:56   ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]   ` <4785C199.9040002-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-10 15:23     ` [kvm-ppc-devel] " Hollis Blanchard
2008-01-10 15:23       ` Hollis Blanchard
2008-01-10 15:28       ` [kvm-ppc-devel] " Avi Kivity
2008-01-10 15:28         ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]         ` <4786398C.2090308-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-10 22:57           ` [kvm-ppc-devel] " Hollis Blanchard
2008-01-10 22:57             ` Hollis Blanchard
2008-01-11  2:02             ` [kvm-ppc-devel] [kvm-devel] " Xu, Anthony
2008-01-11  2:02               ` [kvm-ppc-devel] " Xu, Anthony
     [not found]               ` <51CFAB8CB6883745AE7B93B3E084EBE201620FD0-wq7ZOvIWXbOiAffOGbnezLfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-11 14:55                 ` [kvm-ppc-devel] [kvm-devel] " Hollis Blanchard
2008-01-11 14:55                   ` [kvm-ppc-devel] " Hollis Blanchard
2008-01-14  5:42                   ` [kvm-ppc-devel] [kvm-devel] " Xu, Anthony
2008-01-14  5:42                     ` [kvm-ppc-devel] " Xu, Anthony
     [not found]                     ` <51CFAB8CB6883745AE7B93B3E084EBE2016214A1-wq7ZOvIWXbOiAffOGbnezLfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-14 16:53                       ` [kvm-ppc-devel] [kvm-devel] " Hollis Blanchard
2008-01-14 16:53                         ` [kvm-ppc-devel] " Hollis Blanchard
2008-01-13  9:42             ` [kvm-ppc-devel] [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
2008-01-13  9:42               ` [kvm-ppc-devel] " Avi Kivity
     [not found]               ` <4789DD0C.4010600-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-14 16:51                 ` [kvm-ppc-devel] [kvm-devel] " Hollis Blanchard
2008-01-14 16:51                   ` [kvm-ppc-devel] " Hollis Blanchard
2008-01-14 17:30                   ` [kvm-ppc-devel] [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
2008-01-14 17:30                     ` [kvm-ppc-devel] " Avi Kivity
     [not found]                     ` <478B9C41.80105-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-14 20:43                       ` [kvm-ppc-devel] [kvm-devel] " Hollis Blanchard
2008-01-14 20:43                         ` [kvm-ppc-devel] " Hollis Blanchard
2008-01-15 14:57                         ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2008-01-15 14:57                           ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                           ` <478CC9EF.9020907-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-15 16:22                             ` [kvm-ppc-devel] [kvm-devel] " Hollis Blanchard
2008-01-15 16:22                               ` [kvm-ppc-devel] " Hollis Blanchard
2008-01-15  2:43                   ` [kvm-ppc-devel] [kvm-devel] " Xu, Anthony
2008-01-15  2:43                     ` [kvm-ppc-devel] " Xu, Anthony
     [not found]                     ` <51CFAB8CB6883745AE7B93B3E084EBE2016217AB-wq7ZOvIWXbOiAffOGbnezLfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-15  3:54                       ` [kvm-ppc-devel] [kvm-devel] " Hollis Blanchard
2008-01-15  3:54                         ` [kvm-ppc-devel] " Hollis Blanchard
2008-01-10 15:37       ` Jimi Xenidis
2008-01-10 15:37         ` Jimi Xenidis

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