From: Dave Hansen <dave-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
To: Oren Laadan <orenl-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Matt Helsley <matthltc-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
Andrew Morton
<akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>,
linux-api-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
containers-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org,
linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
linux-mm-Bw31MaZKKs3YtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org,
tglx-hfZtesqFncYOwBW4kG4KsQ@public.gmane.org,
viro-RmSDqhL/yNMiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org,
hpa-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org,
mingo-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org,
torvalds-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org,
Peter Chubb
<peterc-M3ycANVxPotyL3EAZA59ERCuuivNXqWP@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC v7][PATCH 2/9] General infrastructure for checkpoint restart
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:09:33 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1225145373.12673.125.camel@nimitz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <490637D8.4080404-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>
On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 17:51 -0400, Oren Laadan wrote:
> > Instead, how about a flag to sys_checkpoint() -- DO_RISKY_CHECKPOINT --
> > which checkpoints despite !may_checkpoint?
>
> I also agree with Matt - so we have a quorum :)
>
> so just to clarify: sys_checkpoint() is to fail (with what error ?) if the
> deny-checkpoint test fails.
>
> however, if the user is risky, she can specify CR_CHECKPOINT_RISKY to force
> an attempt to checkpoint as is.
This sounds like an awful lot of policy to determine *inside* the
kernel. Everybody is going to have a different definition of risky, so
this scheme will work for approximately 5 minutes until it gets
patched. :)
Is it possible to enhance our interface such that users might have some
kind of choice on these matters?
-- Dave
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From: Dave Hansen <dave@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Oren Laadan <orenl@cs.columbia.edu>
Cc: Matt Helsley <matthltc@us.ibm.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
linux-api@vger.kernel.org, containers@lists.linux-foundation.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
tglx@linutronix.de, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, hpa@zytor.com,
mingo@elte.hu, torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
Peter Chubb <peterc@gelato.unsw.edu.au>
Subject: Re: [RFC v7][PATCH 2/9] General infrastructure for checkpoint restart
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:09:33 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1225145373.12673.125.camel@nimitz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <490637D8.4080404@cs.columbia.edu>
On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 17:51 -0400, Oren Laadan wrote:
> > Instead, how about a flag to sys_checkpoint() -- DO_RISKY_CHECKPOINT --
> > which checkpoints despite !may_checkpoint?
>
> I also agree with Matt - so we have a quorum :)
>
> so just to clarify: sys_checkpoint() is to fail (with what error ?) if the
> deny-checkpoint test fails.
>
> however, if the user is risky, she can specify CR_CHECKPOINT_RISKY to force
> an attempt to checkpoint as is.
This sounds like an awful lot of policy to determine *inside* the
kernel. Everybody is going to have a different definition of risky, so
this scheme will work for approximately 5 minutes until it gets
patched. :)
Is it possible to enhance our interface such that users might have some
kind of choice on these matters?
-- Dave
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Dave Hansen <dave@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Oren Laadan <orenl@cs.columbia.edu>
Cc: Matt Helsley <matthltc@us.ibm.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
linux-api@vger.kernel.org, containers@lists.linux-foundation.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
tglx@linutronix.de, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, hpa@zytor.com,
mingo@elte.hu, torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
Peter Chubb <peterc@gelato.unsw.edu.au>
Subject: Re: [RFC v7][PATCH 2/9] General infrastructure for checkpoint restart
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:09:33 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1225145373.12673.125.camel@nimitz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <490637D8.4080404@cs.columbia.edu>
On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 17:51 -0400, Oren Laadan wrote:
> > Instead, how about a flag to sys_checkpoint() -- DO_RISKY_CHECKPOINT --
> > which checkpoints despite !may_checkpoint?
>
> I also agree with Matt - so we have a quorum :)
>
> so just to clarify: sys_checkpoint() is to fail (with what error ?) if the
> deny-checkpoint test fails.
>
> however, if the user is risky, she can specify CR_CHECKPOINT_RISKY to force
> an attempt to checkpoint as is.
This sounds like an awful lot of policy to determine *inside* the
kernel. Everybody is going to have a different definition of risky, so
this scheme will work for approximately 5 minutes until it gets
patched. :)
Is it possible to enhance our interface such that users might have some
kind of choice on these matters?
-- Dave
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-10-27 22:09 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 129+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-10-20 5:40 [RFC v7][PATCH 0/9] Kernel based checkpoint/restart Oren Laadan
2008-10-20 5:40 ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-20 5:40 ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-20 5:40 ` [RFC v7][PATCH 1/9] Create syscalls: sys_checkpoint, sys_restart Oren Laadan
2008-10-20 5:40 ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-20 5:40 ` [RFC v7][PATCH 2/9] General infrastructure for checkpoint restart Oren Laadan
2008-10-20 5:40 ` Oren Laadan
[not found] ` <1224481237-4892-3-git-send-email-orenl-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-21 19:41 ` Andrew Morton
2008-10-21 19:41 ` Andrew Morton
2008-10-21 19:41 ` Andrew Morton
[not found] ` <20081021124130.a002e838.akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-21 20:24 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-10-21 20:24 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-10-21 20:24 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-10-21 20:24 ` Serge E. Hallyn
[not found] ` <20081021202410.GA10423-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-21 20:41 ` Andrew Morton
2008-10-21 20:41 ` Andrew Morton
2008-10-21 20:41 ` Andrew Morton
2008-10-21 20:41 ` Andrew Morton
2008-10-22 1:33 ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-22 1:33 ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-22 1:33 ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-22 1:33 ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-22 2:55 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-10-22 2:55 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
[not found] ` <20081022025513.GA7504-FDxGpBj5bhMn2ysHARXsoQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-22 3:02 ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-22 3:02 ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-22 3:02 ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-22 3:02 ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-22 14:29 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-10-22 14:29 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-10-22 14:29 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-10-22 14:29 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
[not found] ` <48FE82DF.6030005-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-22 2:55 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-10-22 15:28 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-10-22 15:28 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-10-22 15:28 ` Serge E. Hallyn
[not found] ` <20081022152804.GA23821-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-22 16:02 ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-22 16:02 ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-22 16:02 ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-22 16:02 ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-22 17:03 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-10-22 17:03 ` Serge E. Hallyn
[not found] ` <20081022170325.GA4908-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-22 18:32 ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-22 18:32 ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-22 18:32 ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-22 18:32 ` Oren Laadan
[not found] ` <48FF4EB2.5060206-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-22 17:03 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-10-27 8:27 ` Peter Chubb
2008-10-27 8:27 ` Peter Chubb
2008-10-27 8:27 ` Peter Chubb
[not found] ` <87tzayh27r.wl%peter-LkDQP0DxSMGxwJ88Py/mJxCuuivNXqWP@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-27 11:03 ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-27 11:03 ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-27 11:03 ` Oren Laadan
[not found] ` <49059FED.4030202-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-27 16:42 ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-27 16:42 ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-27 16:42 ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-27 16:42 ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-27 17:11 ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-27 17:11 ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-27 17:11 ` Oren Laadan
[not found] ` <4905F648.4030402-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-27 20:51 ` Matt Helsley
2008-10-27 20:51 ` Matt Helsley
2008-10-27 20:51 ` Matt Helsley
2008-10-27 20:51 ` Matt Helsley
2008-10-27 21:20 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-10-27 21:20 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-10-27 21:20 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-10-27 21:20 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-10-27 21:51 ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-27 21:51 ` Oren Laadan
[not found] ` <490637D8.4080404-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-27 22:09 ` Dave Hansen [this message]
2008-10-27 22:09 ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-27 22:09 ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-28 18:33 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-10-28 18:33 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-10-28 18:33 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-10-28 18:33 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-10-27 22:09 ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-27 21:51 ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-27 17:11 ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-27 11:03 ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-22 15:28 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-10-21 19:41 ` Andrew Morton
[not found] ` <1224481237-4892-1-git-send-email-orenl-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-20 5:40 ` [RFC v7][PATCH 1/9] Create syscalls: sys_checkpoint, sys_restart Oren Laadan
2008-10-20 5:40 ` [RFC v7][PATCH 2/9] General infrastructure for checkpoint restart Oren Laadan
2008-10-20 5:40 ` [RFC v7][PATCH 3/9] x86 support for checkpoint/restart Oren Laadan
2008-10-20 5:40 ` [RFC v7][PATCH 4/9] Dump memory address space Oren Laadan
2008-10-20 5:40 ` [RFC v7][PATCH 5/9] Restore " Oren Laadan
2008-10-20 5:40 ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-20 5:40 ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-20 5:40 ` [RFC v7][PATCH 6/9] Checkpoint/restart: initial documentation Oren Laadan
2008-10-20 5:40 ` [RFC v7][PATCH 7/9] Infrastructure for shared objects Oren Laadan
2008-10-20 5:40 ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-20 5:40 ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-20 5:40 ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-20 5:40 ` [RFC v7][PATCH 8/9] Dump open file descriptors Oren Laadan
2008-10-20 5:40 ` [RFC v7][PATCH 9/9] Restore open file descriprtors Oren Laadan
2008-10-21 19:21 ` [RFC v7][PATCH 0/9] Kernel based checkpoint/restart Andrew Morton
2008-10-21 19:21 ` Andrew Morton
2008-10-21 19:21 ` Andrew Morton
[not found] ` <20081021122135.4bce362c.akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-21 20:41 ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-21 20:41 ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-21 20:41 ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-22 9:20 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-10-22 9:20 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-10-22 9:20 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-10-22 9:20 ` Ingo Molnar
[not found] ` <20081022092024.GC12453-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-22 11:51 ` Daniel Lezcano
2008-10-22 11:51 ` Daniel Lezcano
2008-10-22 11:51 ` Daniel Lezcano
2008-10-22 11:51 ` Daniel Lezcano
2008-10-22 11:55 ` Cedric Le Goater
2008-10-22 11:55 ` Cedric Le Goater
2008-10-21 20:41 ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-21 19:21 ` Andrew Morton
2008-10-20 5:40 ` [RFC v7][PATCH 3/9] x86 support for checkpoint/restart Oren Laadan
2008-10-20 5:40 ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-20 5:40 ` [RFC v7][PATCH 4/9] Dump memory address space Oren Laadan
2008-10-20 5:40 ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-20 5:40 ` [RFC v7][PATCH 6/9] Checkpoint/restart: initial documentation Oren Laadan
2008-10-20 5:40 ` Oren Laadan
[not found] ` <1224481237-4892-7-git-send-email-orenl-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-28 16:48 ` Michael Kerrisk
2008-10-28 16:48 ` Michael Kerrisk
2008-10-28 16:48 ` Michael Kerrisk
2008-10-28 16:48 ` Michael Kerrisk
2008-10-20 5:40 ` [RFC v7][PATCH 8/9] Dump open file descriptors Oren Laadan
2008-10-20 5:40 ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-20 5:40 ` [RFC v7][PATCH 9/9] Restore open file descriprtors Oren Laadan
2008-10-20 5:40 ` Oren Laadan
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