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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
To: Dave Hansen <dave-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton
	<akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>,
	Oren Laadan <orenl-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-api-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	containers-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-mm-Bw31MaZKKs3YtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org,
	viro-RmSDqhL/yNMiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org,
	hpa-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org,
	tglx-hfZtesqFncYOwBW4kG4KsQ@public.gmane.org,
	torvalds-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [RFC v7][PATCH 0/9] Kernel based checkpoint/restart
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:20:24 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081022092024.GC12453@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1224621667.1848.228.camel@nimitz>


* Dave Hansen <dave-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 12:21 -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 01:40:28 -0400
> > Oren Laadan <orenl-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > > These patches implement basic checkpoint-restart [CR]. This version
> > > (v7) supports basic tasks with simple private memory, and open files
> > > (regular files and directories only).
> > 
> > - how useful is this code as it stands in real-world usage?
> 
> Right now, an application must be specifically written to use these 
> mew system calls.  It must be a single process and not share any 
> resources with other processes.  The only file descriptors that may be 
> open are simple files and may not include sockets or pipes.
> 
> What this means in practice is that it is useful for a simple app 
> doing computational work.

say a chemistry application doing calculations. Or a raytracer with a 
large job. Both can take many hours (days!) even on very fast machine 
and the restrictions on rebootability can hurt in such cases.

You should reach a minimal level of initial practical utility: say some 
helper tool that allows testers to checkpoint and restore a real PovRay 
session - without any modification to a stock distro PovRay.

	Ingo
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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Dave Hansen <dave@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Oren Laadan <orenl@cs.columbia.edu>,
	linux-api@vger.kernel.org, containers@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, hpa@zytor.com, tglx@linutronix.de,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [RFC v7][PATCH 0/9] Kernel based checkpoint/restart
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:20:24 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081022092024.GC12453@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1224621667.1848.228.camel@nimitz>


* Dave Hansen <dave@linux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 12:21 -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 01:40:28 -0400
> > Oren Laadan <orenl@cs.columbia.edu> wrote:
> > > These patches implement basic checkpoint-restart [CR]. This version
> > > (v7) supports basic tasks with simple private memory, and open files
> > > (regular files and directories only).
> > 
> > - how useful is this code as it stands in real-world usage?
> 
> Right now, an application must be specifically written to use these 
> mew system calls.  It must be a single process and not share any 
> resources with other processes.  The only file descriptors that may be 
> open are simple files and may not include sockets or pipes.
> 
> What this means in practice is that it is useful for a simple app 
> doing computational work.

say a chemistry application doing calculations. Or a raytracer with a 
large job. Both can take many hours (days!) even on very fast machine 
and the restrictions on rebootability can hurt in such cases.

You should reach a minimal level of initial practical utility: say some 
helper tool that allows testers to checkpoint and restore a real PovRay 
session - without any modification to a stock distro PovRay.

	Ingo

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Dave Hansen <dave@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Oren Laadan <orenl@cs.columbia.edu>,
	linux-api@vger.kernel.org, containers@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, hpa@zytor.com, tglx@linutronix.de,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [RFC v7][PATCH 0/9] Kernel based checkpoint/restart
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:20:24 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081022092024.GC12453@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1224621667.1848.228.camel@nimitz>

* Dave Hansen <dave@linux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 12:21 -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 01:40:28 -0400
> > Oren Laadan <orenl@cs.columbia.edu> wrote:
> > > These patches implement basic checkpoint-restart [CR]. This version
> > > (v7) supports basic tasks with simple private memory, and open files
> > > (regular files and directories only).
> > 
> > - how useful is this code as it stands in real-world usage?
> 
> Right now, an application must be specifically written to use these 
> mew system calls.  It must be a single process and not share any 
> resources with other processes.  The only file descriptors that may be 
> open are simple files and may not include sockets or pipes.
> 
> What this means in practice is that it is useful for a simple app 
> doing computational work.

say a chemistry application doing calculations. Or a raytracer with a 
large job. Both can take many hours (days!) even on very fast machine 
and the restrictions on rebootability can hurt in such cases.

You should reach a minimal level of initial practical utility: say some 
helper tool that allows testers to checkpoint and restore a real PovRay 
session - without any modification to a stock distro PovRay.

	Ingo

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-10-22  9:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 129+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-10-20  5:40 [RFC v7][PATCH 0/9] Kernel based checkpoint/restart Oren Laadan
2008-10-20  5:40 ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-20  5:40 ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-20  5:40 ` [RFC v7][PATCH 1/9] Create syscalls: sys_checkpoint, sys_restart Oren Laadan
2008-10-20  5:40   ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-20  5:40 ` [RFC v7][PATCH 2/9] General infrastructure for checkpoint restart Oren Laadan
2008-10-20  5:40   ` Oren Laadan
     [not found]   ` <1224481237-4892-3-git-send-email-orenl-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-21 19:41     ` Andrew Morton
2008-10-21 19:41     ` Andrew Morton
2008-10-21 19:41       ` Andrew Morton
2008-10-21 19:41       ` Andrew Morton
     [not found]       ` <20081021124130.a002e838.akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-21 20:24         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-10-21 20:24           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-10-21 20:24           ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]           ` <20081021202410.GA10423-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-21 20:41             ` Andrew Morton
2008-10-21 20:41               ` Andrew Morton
2008-10-21 20:41               ` Andrew Morton
2008-10-21 20:41             ` Andrew Morton
2008-10-22  1:33             ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-22  1:33               ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-22  1:33               ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-22  2:55               ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-10-22  2:55                 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
     [not found]                 ` <20081022025513.GA7504-FDxGpBj5bhMn2ysHARXsoQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-22  3:02                   ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-22  3:02                     ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-22  3:02                     ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-22 14:29                     ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-10-22 14:29                       ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-10-22 14:29                       ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-10-22 14:29                     ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-10-22  3:02                   ` Dave Hansen
     [not found]               ` <48FE82DF.6030005-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-22  2:55                 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-10-22 15:28                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-10-22 15:28                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-10-22 15:28                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-10-22 15:28                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                   ` <20081022152804.GA23821-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-22 16:02                     ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-22 16:02                       ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-22 16:02                       ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-22 17:03                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-10-22 17:03                         ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                         ` <20081022170325.GA4908-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-22 18:32                           ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-22 18:32                             ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-22 18:32                             ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-22 18:32                           ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-27  8:27                       ` Peter Chubb
2008-10-27  8:27                         ` Peter Chubb
     [not found]                         ` <87tzayh27r.wl%peter-LkDQP0DxSMGxwJ88Py/mJxCuuivNXqWP@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-27 11:03                           ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-27 11:03                             ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-27 11:03                             ` Oren Laadan
     [not found]                             ` <49059FED.4030202-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-27 16:42                               ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-27 16:42                               ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-27 16:42                                 ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-27 16:42                                 ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-27 17:11                                 ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-27 17:11                                 ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-27 17:11                                   ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-27 17:11                                   ` Oren Laadan
     [not found]                                   ` <4905F648.4030402-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-27 20:51                                     ` Matt Helsley
2008-10-27 20:51                                       ` Matt Helsley
2008-10-27 20:51                                       ` Matt Helsley
2008-10-27 21:20                                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-10-27 21:20                                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-10-27 21:20                                         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-10-27 21:20                                         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-10-27 21:51                                       ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-27 21:51                                         ` Oren Laadan
     [not found]                                         ` <490637D8.4080404-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-27 22:09                                           ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-27 22:09                                             ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-27 22:09                                             ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-28 18:33                                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-10-28 18:33                                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-10-28 18:33                                               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-10-28 18:33                                               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-10-27 22:09                                           ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-27 21:51                                       ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-27 20:51                                     ` Matt Helsley
2008-10-27 11:03                           ` Oren Laadan
     [not found]                       ` <48FF4EB2.5060206-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-22 17:03                         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-10-27  8:27                         ` Peter Chubb
2008-10-22 16:02                     ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-22  1:33             ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-21 20:24         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-10-20  5:40 ` [RFC v7][PATCH 3/9] x86 support for checkpoint/restart Oren Laadan
2008-10-20  5:40   ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-20  5:40 ` [RFC v7][PATCH 4/9] Dump memory address space Oren Laadan
2008-10-20  5:40   ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-20  5:40 ` [RFC v7][PATCH 6/9] Checkpoint/restart: initial documentation Oren Laadan
2008-10-20  5:40   ` Oren Laadan
     [not found]   ` <1224481237-4892-7-git-send-email-orenl-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-28 16:48     ` Michael Kerrisk
2008-10-28 16:48       ` Michael Kerrisk
2008-10-28 16:48       ` Michael Kerrisk
2008-10-28 16:48     ` Michael Kerrisk
2008-10-20  5:40 ` [RFC v7][PATCH 8/9] Dump open file descriptors Oren Laadan
2008-10-20  5:40   ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-20  5:40 ` [RFC v7][PATCH 9/9] Restore open file descriprtors Oren Laadan
2008-10-20  5:40   ` Oren Laadan
     [not found] ` <1224481237-4892-1-git-send-email-orenl-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-20  5:40   ` [RFC v7][PATCH 1/9] Create syscalls: sys_checkpoint, sys_restart Oren Laadan
2008-10-20  5:40   ` [RFC v7][PATCH 2/9] General infrastructure for checkpoint restart Oren Laadan
2008-10-20  5:40   ` [RFC v7][PATCH 3/9] x86 support for checkpoint/restart Oren Laadan
2008-10-20  5:40   ` [RFC v7][PATCH 4/9] Dump memory address space Oren Laadan
2008-10-20  5:40   ` [RFC v7][PATCH 5/9] Restore " Oren Laadan
2008-10-20  5:40     ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-20  5:40     ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-20  5:40   ` [RFC v7][PATCH 6/9] Checkpoint/restart: initial documentation Oren Laadan
2008-10-20  5:40   ` [RFC v7][PATCH 7/9] Infrastructure for shared objects Oren Laadan
2008-10-20  5:40     ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-20  5:40     ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-20  5:40     ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-20  5:40   ` [RFC v7][PATCH 8/9] Dump open file descriptors Oren Laadan
2008-10-20  5:40   ` [RFC v7][PATCH 9/9] Restore open file descriprtors Oren Laadan
2008-10-21 19:21   ` [RFC v7][PATCH 0/9] Kernel based checkpoint/restart Andrew Morton
2008-10-21 19:21   ` Andrew Morton
2008-10-21 19:21     ` Andrew Morton
2008-10-21 19:21     ` Andrew Morton
     [not found]     ` <20081021122135.4bce362c.akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-21 20:41       ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-21 20:41         ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-21 20:41         ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-22  9:20         ` Ingo Molnar
2008-10-22  9:20         ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2008-10-22  9:20           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-10-22  9:20           ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]           ` <20081022092024.GC12453-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-22 11:51             ` Daniel Lezcano
2008-10-22 11:51               ` Daniel Lezcano
2008-10-22 11:51               ` Daniel Lezcano
2008-10-22 11:51             ` Daniel Lezcano
2008-10-22 11:55             ` Cedric Le Goater
2008-10-22 11:55               ` Cedric Le Goater
2008-10-21 20:41       ` Dave Hansen

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