[OT] made a blog post about grub 1.96+20080724

[OT] made a blog post about grub 1.96+20080724

[shirish]

Hi all,
      Made a blog post (whether rightly or wrongly) about GRUB
1.96+20080724 . I would be updating it after couple of questions are
answered as well. Hover onto
http://flossexperiences.wordpress.com/2008/11/19/jaunty-and-grub2/#more-269
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Re: [OT] made a blog post about grub 1.96+20080724

[shirish]

Just forgot, suggestions, improvements whatever you think please add
there or here.
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Re: [OT] made a blog post about grub 1.96+20080724

[shirish]

Hi all,
 Made it to the level I could understand

http://flossexperiences.wordpress.com/2008/11/19/jaunty-and-grub2/#more-269

There are 2 issues though which I hope came out as well :-

a. There is absolute lack of documentation about how and what a user
is supposed to do.
b. This should not be how an end-user should be doing this. I hope
there is an emergence of a single or multiple GUI tools which lets
end-users touch the /etc/init.d/grub and /etc/default/grub files and
update the boot-loader.

Suggestions, improvements are invited :)
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Re: [OT] made a blog post about grub 1.96+20080724

[Pavel Roskin]

On Thu, 2008-11-20 at 18:40 +0530, shirish wrote:
> Hi all,
>  Made it to the level I could understand
> 
> http://flossexperiences.wordpress.com/2008/11/19/jaunty-and-grub2/#more-269
> 
> There are 2 issues though which I hope came out as well :-
> 
> a. There is absolute lack of documentation about how and what a user
> is supposed to do.
> b. This should not be how an end-user should be doing this. I hope
> there is an emergence of a single or multiple GUI tools which lets
> end-users touch the /etc/init.d/grub and /etc/default/grub files and
> update the boot-loader.
> 
> Suggestions, improvements are invited :)

I believe blog posts are not supposed to be reviewed and refined,
especially by the developers.  Their time would be better spent on
writing documentation and improving the code.

If you want to participate in the documentation efforts, I suggest that
you have a look at the GRUB wiki: http://grub.enbug.org/

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Re: [OT] made a blog post about grub 1.96+20080724

[Yoshinori K. Okuji]

On Thursday 20 November 2008 17:20:42 Pavel Roskin wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-11-20 at 18:40 +0530, shirish wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >  Made it to the level I could understand
> >
> > http://flossexperiences.wordpress.com/2008/11/19/jaunty-and-grub2/#more-2
> >69
> >
> > There are 2 issues though which I hope came out as well :-
> >
> > a. There is absolute lack of documentation about how and what a user
> > is supposed to do.
> > b. This should not be how an end-user should be doing this. I hope
> > there is an emergence of a single or multiple GUI tools which lets
> > end-users touch the /etc/init.d/grub and /etc/default/grub files and
> > update the boot-loader.
> >
> > Suggestions, improvements are invited :)
>
> I believe blog posts are not supposed to be reviewed and refined,
> especially by the developers.  Their time would be better spent on
> writing documentation and improving the code.
>
> If you want to participate in the documentation efforts, I suggest that
> you have a look at the GRUB wiki: http://grub.enbug.org/

I agree.

IMO, if one thinks that the lack of documentation is a problem, he should make 
it himself, rather than just complaining. A lot of information is already 
piled up onto the GRUB wiki and this mailing list, so anybody can achieve 
this work.

(Honestly, I am very pessimistic about this, because of my experience in GRUB 
Legacy. In this case, many people only complained continuously for years, 
although they could do themselves. So I had to write the manual myself, 
merely because I was too tired to see those people any more.)

Regards,
Okuji

Re: [OT] made a blog post about grub 1.96+20080724

[James Shewey]

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This is the beauty of open source. If you think there is a problem, you can
jump in and contribute by fixing the problem...

On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 12:51 PM, Yoshinori K. Okuji <okuji@enbug.org>wrote:

> On Thursday 20 November 2008 17:20:42 Pavel Roskin wrote:
> > On Thu, 2008-11-20 at 18:40 +0530, shirish wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > >  Made it to the level I could understand
> > >
> > >
> http://flossexperiences.wordpress.com/2008/11/19/jaunty-and-grub2/#more-2
> > >69
> > >
> > > There are 2 issues though which I hope came out as well :-
> > >
> > > a. There is absolute lack of documentation about how and what a user
> > > is supposed to do.
> > > b. This should not be how an end-user should be doing this. I hope
> > > there is an emergence of a single or multiple GUI tools which lets
> > > end-users touch the /etc/init.d/grub and /etc/default/grub files and
> > > update the boot-loader.
> > >
> > > Suggestions, improvements are invited :)
> >
> > I believe blog posts are not supposed to be reviewed and refined,
> > especially by the developers.  Their time would be better spent on
> > writing documentation and improving the code.
> >
> > If you want to participate in the documentation efforts, I suggest that
> > you have a look at the GRUB wiki: http://grub.enbug.org/
>
> I agree.
>
> IMO, if one thinks that the lack of documentation is a problem, he should
> make
> it himself, rather than just complaining. A lot of information is already
> piled up onto the GRUB wiki and this mailing list, so anybody can achieve
> this work.
>
> (Honestly, I am very pessimistic about this, because of my experience in
> GRUB
> Legacy. In this case, many people only complained continuously for years,
> although they could do themselves. So I had to write the manual myself,
> merely because I was too tired to see those people any more.)
>
> Regards,
> Okuji
>
>
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> Grub-devel@gnu.org
> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/grub-devel
>

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Re: [OT] made a blog post about grub 1.96+20080724

[shirish]

Hi all,
 While I don't think I have the skills to make good documentation but
that's not just the issue of that post. What is also felt is the
necessity of making a good GUI-based tool (say for changing timeouts
or for changing the wallpaper and stuff like that). There may be a
case for having a tool which could do atleast some of the things which
today needs to be dirtied by hand (configuring the parameters in
/etc/default/grub or elsewhere)

What I would probably be able to help is test (if somebody makes such
a tool or does some documentation)

My whole idea of making the blog post was simply this :-

While its appreciable the efforts being undertaken and the work being
done its not easy for general/generic users who may not want to use a
text-editor to edit a file or two and may perhaps prefer a GUI to do
specific tasks.

Apart from understanding the syntax, one has to also remember which
setting needs to go where . Either/or in /etc/default grub or any of
the /etc/grub.d/ folders which indirectly/directly affect behavior of
GRUB.

I hope simply that people find something worthy in all this.
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Re: [OT] made a blog post about grub 1.96+20080724

[Pavel Roskin]

On Tue, 2008-11-25 at 02:22 +0530, shirish wrote:

> My whole idea of making the blog post was simply this :-

OK, maybe I was unclear, but my point was that advertizing your blogs in
this list is not a good idea.  I'm not an administrator or moderator,
it's just my opinion based on common sense.

If you have something to say, please say that in a post to the list and
let others discuss your ideas by posting replies, not amendments to your
words on your site.

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Re: [OT] made a blog post about grub 1.96+20080724

[shirish]

On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 02:49, Pavel Roskin <proski@gnu.org> wrote:
> On Tue, 2008-11-25 at 02:22 +0530, shirish wrote:
>
>> My whole idea of making the blog post was simply this :-
>
> OK, maybe I was unclear, but my point was that advertizing your blogs in
> this list is not a good idea.  I'm not an administrator or moderator,
> it's just my opinion based on common sense.
>
> If you have something to say, please say that in a post to the list and
> let others discuss your ideas by posting replies, not amendments to your
> words on your site.

Ah ok, cool. Point taken :)

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