* [OT] made a blog post about grub 1.96+20080724
@ 2008-11-19 9:23 shirish
2008-11-19 9:24 ` shirish
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From: shirish @ 2008-11-19 9:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: grub-devel
Hi all,
Made a blog post (whether rightly or wrongly) about GRUB
1.96+20080724 . I would be updating it after couple of questions are
answered as well. Hover onto
http://flossexperiences.wordpress.com/2008/11/19/jaunty-and-grub2/#more-269
--
Regards,
Shirish Agarwal
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread* Re: [OT] made a blog post about grub 1.96+20080724 2008-11-19 9:23 [OT] made a blog post about grub 1.96+20080724 shirish @ 2008-11-19 9:24 ` shirish 2008-11-20 13:10 ` shirish 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: shirish @ 2008-11-19 9:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: grub-devel Just forgot, suggestions, improvements whatever you think please add there or here. -- Regards, Shirish Agarwal This email is licensed under http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/ http://flossexperiences.wordpress.com 065C 6D79 A68C E7EA 52B3 8D70 950D 53FB 729A 8B17 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [OT] made a blog post about grub 1.96+20080724 2008-11-19 9:24 ` shirish @ 2008-11-20 13:10 ` shirish 2008-11-20 16:20 ` Pavel Roskin 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: shirish @ 2008-11-20 13:10 UTC (permalink / raw) To: grub-devel Hi all, Made it to the level I could understand http://flossexperiences.wordpress.com/2008/11/19/jaunty-and-grub2/#more-269 There are 2 issues though which I hope came out as well :- a. There is absolute lack of documentation about how and what a user is supposed to do. b. This should not be how an end-user should be doing this. I hope there is an emergence of a single or multiple GUI tools which lets end-users touch the /etc/init.d/grub and /etc/default/grub files and update the boot-loader. Suggestions, improvements are invited :) -- Regards, Shirish Agarwal This email is licensed under http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/ http://flossexperiences.wordpress.com 065C 6D79 A68C E7EA 52B3 8D70 950D 53FB 729A 8B17 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [OT] made a blog post about grub 1.96+20080724 2008-11-20 13:10 ` shirish @ 2008-11-20 16:20 ` Pavel Roskin 2008-11-22 17:51 ` Yoshinori K. Okuji 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Pavel Roskin @ 2008-11-20 16:20 UTC (permalink / raw) To: The development of GRUB 2 On Thu, 2008-11-20 at 18:40 +0530, shirish wrote: > Hi all, > Made it to the level I could understand > > http://flossexperiences.wordpress.com/2008/11/19/jaunty-and-grub2/#more-269 > > There are 2 issues though which I hope came out as well :- > > a. There is absolute lack of documentation about how and what a user > is supposed to do. > b. This should not be how an end-user should be doing this. I hope > there is an emergence of a single or multiple GUI tools which lets > end-users touch the /etc/init.d/grub and /etc/default/grub files and > update the boot-loader. > > Suggestions, improvements are invited :) I believe blog posts are not supposed to be reviewed and refined, especially by the developers. Their time would be better spent on writing documentation and improving the code. If you want to participate in the documentation efforts, I suggest that you have a look at the GRUB wiki: http://grub.enbug.org/ -- Regards, Pavel Roskin ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [OT] made a blog post about grub 1.96+20080724 2008-11-20 16:20 ` Pavel Roskin @ 2008-11-22 17:51 ` Yoshinori K. Okuji 2008-11-23 20:43 ` James Shewey 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Yoshinori K. Okuji @ 2008-11-22 17:51 UTC (permalink / raw) To: The development of GRUB 2 On Thursday 20 November 2008 17:20:42 Pavel Roskin wrote: > On Thu, 2008-11-20 at 18:40 +0530, shirish wrote: > > Hi all, > > Made it to the level I could understand > > > > http://flossexperiences.wordpress.com/2008/11/19/jaunty-and-grub2/#more-2 > >69 > > > > There are 2 issues though which I hope came out as well :- > > > > a. There is absolute lack of documentation about how and what a user > > is supposed to do. > > b. This should not be how an end-user should be doing this. I hope > > there is an emergence of a single or multiple GUI tools which lets > > end-users touch the /etc/init.d/grub and /etc/default/grub files and > > update the boot-loader. > > > > Suggestions, improvements are invited :) > > I believe blog posts are not supposed to be reviewed and refined, > especially by the developers. Their time would be better spent on > writing documentation and improving the code. > > If you want to participate in the documentation efforts, I suggest that > you have a look at the GRUB wiki: http://grub.enbug.org/ I agree. IMO, if one thinks that the lack of documentation is a problem, he should make it himself, rather than just complaining. A lot of information is already piled up onto the GRUB wiki and this mailing list, so anybody can achieve this work. (Honestly, I am very pessimistic about this, because of my experience in GRUB Legacy. In this case, many people only complained continuously for years, although they could do themselves. So I had to write the manual myself, merely because I was too tired to see those people any more.) Regards, Okuji ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [OT] made a blog post about grub 1.96+20080724 2008-11-22 17:51 ` Yoshinori K. Okuji @ 2008-11-23 20:43 ` James Shewey 2008-11-24 20:52 ` shirish 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: James Shewey @ 2008-11-23 20:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: The development of GRUB 2 [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2027 bytes --] This is the beauty of open source. If you think there is a problem, you can jump in and contribute by fixing the problem... On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 12:51 PM, Yoshinori K. Okuji <okuji@enbug.org>wrote: > On Thursday 20 November 2008 17:20:42 Pavel Roskin wrote: > > On Thu, 2008-11-20 at 18:40 +0530, shirish wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > Made it to the level I could understand > > > > > > > http://flossexperiences.wordpress.com/2008/11/19/jaunty-and-grub2/#more-2 > > >69 > > > > > > There are 2 issues though which I hope came out as well :- > > > > > > a. There is absolute lack of documentation about how and what a user > > > is supposed to do. > > > b. This should not be how an end-user should be doing this. I hope > > > there is an emergence of a single or multiple GUI tools which lets > > > end-users touch the /etc/init.d/grub and /etc/default/grub files and > > > update the boot-loader. > > > > > > Suggestions, improvements are invited :) > > > > I believe blog posts are not supposed to be reviewed and refined, > > especially by the developers. Their time would be better spent on > > writing documentation and improving the code. > > > > If you want to participate in the documentation efforts, I suggest that > > you have a look at the GRUB wiki: http://grub.enbug.org/ > > I agree. > > IMO, if one thinks that the lack of documentation is a problem, he should > make > it himself, rather than just complaining. A lot of information is already > piled up onto the GRUB wiki and this mailing list, so anybody can achieve > this work. > > (Honestly, I am very pessimistic about this, because of my experience in > GRUB > Legacy. In this case, many people only complained continuously for years, > although they could do themselves. So I had to write the manual myself, > merely because I was too tired to see those people any more.) > > Regards, > Okuji > > > _______________________________________________ > Grub-devel mailing list > Grub-devel@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/grub-devel > [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 2777 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [OT] made a blog post about grub 1.96+20080724 2008-11-23 20:43 ` James Shewey @ 2008-11-24 20:52 ` shirish 2008-11-24 21:19 ` Pavel Roskin 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: shirish @ 2008-11-24 20:52 UTC (permalink / raw) To: The development of GRUB 2 Hi all, While I don't think I have the skills to make good documentation but that's not just the issue of that post. What is also felt is the necessity of making a good GUI-based tool (say for changing timeouts or for changing the wallpaper and stuff like that). There may be a case for having a tool which could do atleast some of the things which today needs to be dirtied by hand (configuring the parameters in /etc/default/grub or elsewhere) What I would probably be able to help is test (if somebody makes such a tool or does some documentation) My whole idea of making the blog post was simply this :- While its appreciable the efforts being undertaken and the work being done its not easy for general/generic users who may not want to use a text-editor to edit a file or two and may perhaps prefer a GUI to do specific tasks. Apart from understanding the syntax, one has to also remember which setting needs to go where . Either/or in /etc/default grub or any of the /etc/grub.d/ folders which indirectly/directly affect behavior of GRUB. I hope simply that people find something worthy in all this. -- Regards, Shirish Agarwal This email is licensed under http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/ http://flossexperiences.wordpress.com 065C 6D79 A68C E7EA 52B3 8D70 950D 53FB 729A 8B17 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [OT] made a blog post about grub 1.96+20080724 2008-11-24 20:52 ` shirish @ 2008-11-24 21:19 ` Pavel Roskin 2008-11-25 4:22 ` shirish 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Pavel Roskin @ 2008-11-24 21:19 UTC (permalink / raw) To: The development of GRUB 2 On Tue, 2008-11-25 at 02:22 +0530, shirish wrote: > My whole idea of making the blog post was simply this :- OK, maybe I was unclear, but my point was that advertizing your blogs in this list is not a good idea. I'm not an administrator or moderator, it's just my opinion based on common sense. If you have something to say, please say that in a post to the list and let others discuss your ideas by posting replies, not amendments to your words on your site. -- Regards, Pavel Roskin ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [OT] made a blog post about grub 1.96+20080724 2008-11-24 21:19 ` Pavel Roskin @ 2008-11-25 4:22 ` shirish 0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: shirish @ 2008-11-25 4:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: The development of GRUB 2 On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 02:49, Pavel Roskin <proski@gnu.org> wrote: > On Tue, 2008-11-25 at 02:22 +0530, shirish wrote: > >> My whole idea of making the blog post was simply this :- > > OK, maybe I was unclear, but my point was that advertizing your blogs in > this list is not a good idea. I'm not an administrator or moderator, > it's just my opinion based on common sense. > > If you have something to say, please say that in a post to the list and > let others discuss your ideas by posting replies, not amendments to your > words on your site. Ah ok, cool. Point taken :) > -- > Regards, > Pavel Roskin -- Regards, Shirish Agarwal This email is licensed under http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/ http://flossexperiences.wordpress.com 065C 6D79 A68C E7EA 52B3 8D70 950D 53FB 729A 8B17 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
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