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From: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
To: Mike Waychison <mikew@google.com>
Cc: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>, Ying Han <yinghan@google.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	akpm <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Rohit Seth <rohitseth@google.com>,
	Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	edwintorok@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [RFC v1][PATCH]page_fault retry with NOPAGE_RETRY
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 11:00:07 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1227780007.4454.1344.camel@twins> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <492E6849.6090205@google.com>

On Thu, 2008-11-27 at 01:28 -0800, Mike Waychison wrote:

> Correct.  I don't recall the numbers from the pathelogical cases we were 
> seeing, but iirc, it was on the order of 10s of seconds, likely 
> exascerbated by slower than usual disks.  I've been digging through my 
> inbox to find numbers without much success -- we've been using a variant 
> of this patch since 2.6.11.

> We generally try to avoid such things, but sometimes it a) can't be 
> easily avoided (third party libraries for instance) and b) when it hits 
> us, it affects the overall health of the machine/cluster (the monitoring 
> daemons get blocked, which isn't very healthy).

If its only monitoring, there might be another solution. If you can keep
the required data in a separate (approximate) copy so that you don't
need mmap_sem at all to show them.

If your mmap_sem is so contended your latencies are unacceptable, adding
more users to it - even statistics gathering, just isn't going to cure
the situation.

Furthermore, /proc code usually isn't written with performance in mind,
so its usually simple and robust code. Adding it to a 'hot'-path like
you're doing doesn't seem advisable.

Also, releasing and re-acquiring mmap_sem can significantly add to the
cacheline bouncing that thing already has.


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From: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
To: Mike Waychison <mikew@google.com>
Cc: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>, Ying Han <yinghan@google.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	akpm <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Rohit Seth <rohitseth@google.com>,
	Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	edwintorok@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [RFC v1][PATCH]page_fault retry with NOPAGE_RETRY
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 11:00:07 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1227780007.4454.1344.camel@twins> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <492E6849.6090205@google.com>

On Thu, 2008-11-27 at 01:28 -0800, Mike Waychison wrote:

> Correct.  I don't recall the numbers from the pathelogical cases we were 
> seeing, but iirc, it was on the order of 10s of seconds, likely 
> exascerbated by slower than usual disks.  I've been digging through my 
> inbox to find numbers without much success -- we've been using a variant 
> of this patch since 2.6.11.

> We generally try to avoid such things, but sometimes it a) can't be 
> easily avoided (third party libraries for instance) and b) when it hits 
> us, it affects the overall health of the machine/cluster (the monitoring 
> daemons get blocked, which isn't very healthy).

If its only monitoring, there might be another solution. If you can keep
the required data in a separate (approximate) copy so that you don't
need mmap_sem at all to show them.

If your mmap_sem is so contended your latencies are unacceptable, adding
more users to it - even statistics gathering, just isn't going to cure
the situation.

Furthermore, /proc code usually isn't written with performance in mind,
so its usually simple and robust code. Adding it to a 'hot'-path like
you're doing doesn't seem advisable.

Also, releasing and re-acquiring mmap_sem can significantly add to the
cacheline bouncing that thing already has.

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  reply	other threads:[~2008-11-27 10:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-11-22  6:47 [RFC v1][PATCH]page_fault retry with NOPAGE_RETRY Ying Han
2008-11-22  6:47 ` Ying Han
2008-11-22  7:15 ` Andrew Morton
2008-11-22  7:15   ` Andrew Morton
2008-11-23  9:18 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-11-23  9:18   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-11-23 18:24   ` Andrew Morton
2008-11-23 18:24     ` Andrew Morton
2008-11-25 18:42   ` Ying Han
2008-11-25 18:42     ` Ying Han
2008-11-26 12:32     ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-26 12:32       ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-26 19:57       ` Mike Waychison
2008-11-26 19:57         ` Mike Waychison
2008-11-27  8:55         ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-27  8:55           ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-27  9:28           ` Mike Waychison
2008-11-27  9:28             ` Mike Waychison
2008-11-27 10:00             ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2008-11-27 10:00               ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-11-27 10:14               ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-27 10:14                 ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-27 19:22                 ` Mike Waychison
2008-11-27 19:22                   ` Mike Waychison
2008-11-28  9:41                   ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-28  9:41                     ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-28 22:46                     ` Mike Waychison
2008-11-28 22:46                       ` Mike Waychison
2008-11-27 11:08               ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-11-27 11:08                 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-11-27 19:10               ` Mike Waychison
2008-11-27 19:10                 ` Mike Waychison
2008-11-27 11:39             ` Török Edwin
2008-11-27 11:39               ` Török Edwin
2008-11-27 12:03               ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-27 12:03                 ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-27 12:21                 ` Török Edwin
2008-11-27 12:21                   ` Török Edwin
2008-11-27 12:32                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-11-27 12:32                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-11-27 12:39                   ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-27 12:39                     ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-27 12:52                     ` Török Edwin
2008-11-27 12:52                       ` Török Edwin
2008-11-27 13:05                       ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-27 13:05                         ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-27 13:10                         ` Török Edwin
2008-11-27 13:10                           ` Török Edwin
2008-11-27 13:12                           ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-27 13:12                             ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-27 13:23                             ` Török Edwin
2008-11-27 13:23                               ` Török Edwin
2008-11-28 12:10                               ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-28 12:10                                 ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-30 19:38                                 ` Török Edwin
2008-11-30 19:38                                   ` Török Edwin
2008-12-01  8:52                                   ` Nick Piggin
2008-12-01  8:52                                     ` Nick Piggin
2008-12-01 11:13                                   ` Nick Piggin
2008-12-01 11:13                                     ` Nick Piggin
2008-12-01 11:37                                     ` Török Edwin
2008-12-01 11:37                                       ` Török Edwin
2008-12-04 22:27                       ` Ying Han
2008-12-04 22:27                         ` Ying Han
2008-12-05  6:50                         ` Török Edwin
2008-12-05  6:50                           ` Török Edwin
2008-11-27 13:08             ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-27 13:08               ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-27 19:03               ` Mike Waychison
2008-11-27 19:03                 ` Mike Waychison
2008-11-28  9:37                 ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-28  9:37                   ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-28 23:02                   ` Mike Waychison
2008-11-28 23:02                     ` Mike Waychison
2008-11-30 19:54                     ` Török Edwin
2008-11-30 19:54                       ` Török Edwin
2008-12-01  4:50                       ` Mike Waychison
2008-12-01  4:50                         ` Mike Waychison
2008-12-01  8:58                       ` Nick Piggin
2008-12-01  8:58                         ` Nick Piggin
2008-12-01 11:45                     ` Nick Piggin
2008-12-01 11:45                       ` Nick Piggin

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