From: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>
To: Mike Waychison <mikew@google.com>
Cc: Ying Han <yinghan@google.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
akpm <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
Rohit Seth <rohitseth@google.com>,
Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
edwintorok@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [RFC v1][PATCH]page_fault retry with NOPAGE_RETRY
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 14:08:17 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081127130817.GP28285@wotan.suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <492E6849.6090205@google.com>
On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 01:28:41AM -0800, Mike Waychison wrote:
> >Hmm. How quantifiable is the benefit? Does it actually matter that you
> >can read the proc file much faster? (this is for some automated workload
> >management daemon or something, right?)
>
> Correct. I don't recall the numbers from the pathelogical cases we were
> seeing, but iirc, it was on the order of 10s of seconds, likely
> exascerbated by slower than usual disks. I've been digging through my
> inbox to find numbers without much success -- we've been using a variant
> of this patch since 2.6.11.
>
> Török however identified mmap taking on the order of several
> milliseconds due to this exact problem:
>
> http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/9/12/185
Turns out to be a different problem.
> >Would it be possible to reduce mmap()/munmap() activity? eg. if it is
> >due to a heap memory allocator, then perhaps do more batching or set
> >some hysteresis.
>
> I know our tcmalloc team had made great strides to reduce mmap_sem
> contention for the heap, but there are various other bits of the stack
> that really want to mmap files..
>
> We generally try to avoid such things, but sometimes it a) can't be
> easily avoided (third party libraries for instance) and b) when it hits
> us, it affects the overall health of the machine/cluster (the monitoring
> daemons get blocked, which isn't very healthy).
Are you doing appropriate posix_fadvise to prefetch in the files before
faulting, and madvise hints if appropriate?
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>
To: Mike Waychison <mikew@google.com>
Cc: Ying Han <yinghan@google.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
akpm <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
Rohit Seth <rohitseth@google.com>,
Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
edwintorok@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [RFC v1][PATCH]page_fault retry with NOPAGE_RETRY
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 14:08:17 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081127130817.GP28285@wotan.suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <492E6849.6090205@google.com>
On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 01:28:41AM -0800, Mike Waychison wrote:
> >Hmm. How quantifiable is the benefit? Does it actually matter that you
> >can read the proc file much faster? (this is for some automated workload
> >management daemon or something, right?)
>
> Correct. I don't recall the numbers from the pathelogical cases we were
> seeing, but iirc, it was on the order of 10s of seconds, likely
> exascerbated by slower than usual disks. I've been digging through my
> inbox to find numbers without much success -- we've been using a variant
> of this patch since 2.6.11.
>
> Torok however identified mmap taking on the order of several
> milliseconds due to this exact problem:
>
> http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/9/12/185
Turns out to be a different problem.
> >Would it be possible to reduce mmap()/munmap() activity? eg. if it is
> >due to a heap memory allocator, then perhaps do more batching or set
> >some hysteresis.
>
> I know our tcmalloc team had made great strides to reduce mmap_sem
> contention for the heap, but there are various other bits of the stack
> that really want to mmap files..
>
> We generally try to avoid such things, but sometimes it a) can't be
> easily avoided (third party libraries for instance) and b) when it hits
> us, it affects the overall health of the machine/cluster (the monitoring
> daemons get blocked, which isn't very healthy).
Are you doing appropriate posix_fadvise to prefetch in the files before
faulting, and madvise hints if appropriate?
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Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-11-22 6:47 [RFC v1][PATCH]page_fault retry with NOPAGE_RETRY Ying Han
2008-11-22 6:47 ` Ying Han
2008-11-22 7:15 ` Andrew Morton
2008-11-22 7:15 ` Andrew Morton
2008-11-23 9:18 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-11-23 9:18 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-11-23 18:24 ` Andrew Morton
2008-11-23 18:24 ` Andrew Morton
2008-11-25 18:42 ` Ying Han
2008-11-25 18:42 ` Ying Han
2008-11-26 12:32 ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-26 12:32 ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-26 19:57 ` Mike Waychison
2008-11-26 19:57 ` Mike Waychison
2008-11-27 8:55 ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-27 8:55 ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-27 9:28 ` Mike Waychison
2008-11-27 9:28 ` Mike Waychison
2008-11-27 10:00 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-11-27 10:00 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-11-27 10:14 ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-27 10:14 ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-27 19:22 ` Mike Waychison
2008-11-27 19:22 ` Mike Waychison
2008-11-28 9:41 ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-28 9:41 ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-28 22:46 ` Mike Waychison
2008-11-28 22:46 ` Mike Waychison
2008-11-27 11:08 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-11-27 11:08 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-11-27 19:10 ` Mike Waychison
2008-11-27 19:10 ` Mike Waychison
2008-11-27 11:39 ` Török Edwin
2008-11-27 11:39 ` Török Edwin
2008-11-27 12:03 ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-27 12:03 ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-27 12:21 ` Török Edwin
2008-11-27 12:21 ` Török Edwin
2008-11-27 12:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-11-27 12:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-11-27 12:39 ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-27 12:39 ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-27 12:52 ` Török Edwin
2008-11-27 12:52 ` Török Edwin
2008-11-27 13:05 ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-27 13:05 ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-27 13:10 ` Török Edwin
2008-11-27 13:10 ` Török Edwin
2008-11-27 13:12 ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-27 13:12 ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-27 13:23 ` Török Edwin
2008-11-27 13:23 ` Török Edwin
2008-11-28 12:10 ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-28 12:10 ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-30 19:38 ` Török Edwin
2008-11-30 19:38 ` Török Edwin
2008-12-01 8:52 ` Nick Piggin
2008-12-01 8:52 ` Nick Piggin
2008-12-01 11:13 ` Nick Piggin
2008-12-01 11:13 ` Nick Piggin
2008-12-01 11:37 ` Török Edwin
2008-12-01 11:37 ` Török Edwin
2008-12-04 22:27 ` Ying Han
2008-12-04 22:27 ` Ying Han
2008-12-05 6:50 ` Török Edwin
2008-12-05 6:50 ` Török Edwin
2008-11-27 13:08 ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2008-11-27 13:08 ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-27 19:03 ` Mike Waychison
2008-11-27 19:03 ` Mike Waychison
2008-11-28 9:37 ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-28 9:37 ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-28 23:02 ` Mike Waychison
2008-11-28 23:02 ` Mike Waychison
2008-11-30 19:54 ` Török Edwin
2008-11-30 19:54 ` Török Edwin
2008-12-01 4:50 ` Mike Waychison
2008-12-01 4:50 ` Mike Waychison
2008-12-01 8:58 ` Nick Piggin
2008-12-01 8:58 ` Nick Piggin
2008-12-01 11:45 ` Nick Piggin
2008-12-01 11:45 ` Nick Piggin
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