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From: Matt Mackall <mpm-VDJrAJ4Gl5ZBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Jonathan Corbet <corbet-T1hC0tSOHrs@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	andi-Vw/NltI1exuRpAAqCnN02g@public.gmane.org,
	viro-3bDd1+5oDREiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org,
	oleg-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-api-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	alan-qBU/x9rampVanCEyBjwyrvXRex20P6io@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH, RFC] Remove fasync() BKL usage, take 3325
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 23:45:49 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1232689549.5202.385.camel@calx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090122213105.74142908.akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>

On Thu, 2009-01-22 at 21:31 -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 22:15:00 -0700 Jonathan Corbet <corbet-T1hC0tSOHrs@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 06:51:04 -0800
> > Andrew Morton <akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > 
> > > OK, replacing a lock_kernel() with a spin_lock(&global_lock) is pretty
> > > straightforwad.  But it's really really sad.  It basically leaves a
> > > great big FIXME in there.  It'd be better to fix it.
> > > 
> > > We don't have a handy lock in struct file which could be borrowed.
> > 
> > Yeah, I noticed that too.
> >  
> > > - We could add one
> > 
> > The problem there is that this bloats struct file, and that seemed like
> > something worth avoiding.
> 
> Not a big deal, really.  There's one of these for each presently-open file.
> It's not like dentries and inodes, which we cache after userspace has
> closed off the file handles.

I have to agree with Christoph. The priority here is breaking down the
BKL and document all the things being protected by it and we've got a
reasonably obvious patch in that direction. Meanwhile, there's not
currently a pressing demand to make fasync in particular scale that I'm
aware of.

Having a single big lock here is quite possibly something we'll want to
fix down the road, agreed, but until we can actually measure it hurting
us, debating about whether to use a bit lock or reuse an existing lock
or add a new lock to all struct files is a bit premature.

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From: Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, andi@firstfloor.org,
	viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk, oleg@redhat.com,
	linux-api@vger.kernel.org, alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk
Subject: Re: [PATCH, RFC] Remove fasync() BKL usage, take 3325
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 23:45:49 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1232689549.5202.385.camel@calx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090122213105.74142908.akpm@linux-foundation.org>

On Thu, 2009-01-22 at 21:31 -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 22:15:00 -0700 Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net> wrote:
> > On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 06:51:04 -0800
> > Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
> > 
> > > OK, replacing a lock_kernel() with a spin_lock(&global_lock) is pretty
> > > straightforwad.  But it's really really sad.  It basically leaves a
> > > great big FIXME in there.  It'd be better to fix it.
> > > 
> > > We don't have a handy lock in struct file which could be borrowed.
> > 
> > Yeah, I noticed that too.
> >  
> > > - We could add one
> > 
> > The problem there is that this bloats struct file, and that seemed like
> > something worth avoiding.
> 
> Not a big deal, really.  There's one of these for each presently-open file.
> It's not like dentries and inodes, which we cache after userspace has
> closed off the file handles.

I have to agree with Christoph. The priority here is breaking down the
BKL and document all the things being protected by it and we've got a
reasonably obvious patch in that direction. Meanwhile, there's not
currently a pressing demand to make fasync in particular scale that I'm
aware of.

Having a single big lock here is quite possibly something we'll want to
fix down the road, agreed, but until we can actually measure it hurting
us, debating about whether to use a bit lock or reuse an existing lock
or add a new lock to all struct files is a bit premature.

-- 
http://selenic.com : development and support for Mercurial and Linux



  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-01-23  5:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-01-15 22:32 [PATCH, RFC] Remove fasync() BKL usage, take 3325 Jonathan Corbet
2009-01-15 22:32 ` Jonathan Corbet
     [not found] ` <20090115153211.663df310-vw3g6Xz/EtPk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-22 14:51   ` Andrew Morton
2009-01-22 14:51     ` Andrew Morton
     [not found]     ` <20090122065104.2787df2d.akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-22 16:09       ` Andi Kleen
2009-01-22 16:09         ` Andi Kleen
     [not found]         ` <20090122160935.GI15750-qrUzlfsMFqo/4alezvVtWx2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-23  5:21           ` Jonathan Corbet
2009-01-23  5:21             ` Jonathan Corbet
2009-01-22 20:32       ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-01-22 20:32         ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]         ` <20090122203248.GA20159-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-23  4:56           ` Andi Kleen
2009-01-23  4:56             ` Andi Kleen
     [not found]             ` <20090123045646.GK15750-qrUzlfsMFqo/4alezvVtWx2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-28  0:53               ` Andrew Morton
2009-01-28  0:53                 ` Andrew Morton
2009-01-28  0:55               ` Andrew Morton
2009-01-28  0:55                 ` Andrew Morton
     [not found]                 ` <20090127165504.53ed7a2d.akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-28  3:14                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-01-28  3:14                     ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]                     ` <20090128031439.GA11025-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-28  3:57                       ` Jonathan Corbet
2009-01-28  3:57                         ` Jonathan Corbet
     [not found]                         ` <20090127205739.1384343f-vw3g6Xz/EtPk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-28  4:23                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-01-28  4:23                             ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]                             ` <20090128042337.GA15060-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-28 14:13                               ` Jonathan Corbet
2009-01-28 14:13                                 ` Jonathan Corbet
2009-01-28 17:36                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-01-28 17:36                         ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]                         ` <20090128173618.GA3174-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-28 17:44                           ` Jonathan Corbet
2009-01-28 17:44                             ` Jonathan Corbet
     [not found]                             ` <20090128104414.09aee3f9-vw3g6Xz/EtPk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-28 17:55                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-01-28 17:55                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]                                 ` <20090128175541.GA7074-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-28 18:13                                   ` Matt Mackall
2009-01-28 18:13                                     ` Matt Mackall
2009-01-28 21:05                                     ` Jonathan Corbet
2009-01-28 21:05                                       ` Jonathan Corbet
2009-01-28 18:14                           ` David Daney
2009-01-28 18:14                             ` David Daney
2009-01-29 14:37                           ` Andi Kleen
2009-01-29 14:37                             ` Andi Kleen
2009-01-23  5:15       ` Jonathan Corbet
2009-01-23  5:15         ` Jonathan Corbet
2009-01-23  5:31         ` Andrew Morton
2009-01-23  5:31           ` Andrew Morton
     [not found]           ` <20090122213105.74142908.akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-23  5:45             ` Matt Mackall [this message]
2009-01-23  5:45               ` Matt Mackall
2009-01-23  6:15               ` Andi Kleen
2009-01-23  6:15                 ` Andi Kleen
2009-01-23 10:45                 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2009-01-23  5:54             ` Andi Kleen
2009-01-23  5:54               ` Andi Kleen
     [not found]               ` <20090123055404.GL15750-qrUzlfsMFqo/4alezvVtWx2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-23  6:01                 ` Jonathan Corbet
2009-01-23  6:01                   ` Jonathan Corbet
2009-01-23  6:57                 ` Andrew Morton
2009-01-23  6:57                   ` Andrew Morton

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