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From: Dave Hansen <dave@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serue@us.ibm.com>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	containers <containers@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Alexey Dobriyan <adobriyan@gmail.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 00/11] track files for checkpointability
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 11:42:04 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1236368524.10626.96.camel@nimitz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090306182451.GA6307@us.ibm.com>

On Fri, 2009-03-06 at 12:24 -0600, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> > But, these "early stage" messages are completely opposed to an approach
> > that uses sys_checkpoint() in some form (like with a -1 fd as an
> > argument).
> 
> Well I disagree with that.  The 'early stage' messages could be seen as
> either:
> 
>         1. a short-term way to prioritize resources to support
>         or
>         2. a long-term way to catch new resources introduced
>         without checkpoint/restart support
> 
> I don't believe 2. would work.  I think 1. would work, but that we
> risk imposing permanent code changes to support a temporary goal.

I should be a bit more clear.  My goal (and I think Ingo's) here is to
come up with a mechanism that will make the checkpoint feature less
likely to break once we merge it into the tree.  I'm looking for a tool
that people can utilize, even if they don't necessarily care about
checkpoint/restart.

If we *completely* depend on sys_checkpoint() as the interface for
determining if we are checkpointable, we don't have such a tool.  We
have a tool that the checkpoint/restart developers and probably some
testers can and certainly will use.  This is still very, very useful.
But, it probably won't ever generate a bug report from anyone who
doesn't specifically care about c/r.

As far as detecting *new* resources.  Well, crap.  I don't think our
little ->may_checkpoint flags can do that.  My little f_op trick will
help and is better than nothing.  But, as you noted, it is far from
perfect because we'll probably have people just copying the generic*
functions into new code.

-- Dave


  reply	other threads:[~2009-03-06 19:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-03-05 16:38 [RFC][PATCH 00/11] track files for checkpointability Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:38 ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:38 ` [RFC][PATCH 01/11] kill '_data' in cr_hdr_fd_data name Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:38   ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:38 ` [RFC][PATCH 02/11] breakout fdinfo sprintf() into its own function Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:38 ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:39 ` [RFC][PATCH 03/11] Introduce generic_file_checkpoint() Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:39   ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:39 ` [RFC][PATCH 04/11] actually use f_op in checkpoint code Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:39   ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:39 ` [RFC][PATCH 05/11] add generic checkpoint f_op to ext fses Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:39   ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-13  2:50   ` Oren Laadan
2009-03-13  2:50     ` Oren Laadan
2009-03-05 16:39 ` [RFC][PATCH 06/11] add checkpoint_file_generic() to /proc Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:39   ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:39 ` [RFC][PATCH 07/11] file c/r: expose functions to query fs support Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:39   ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:39 ` [RFC][PATCH 08/11] expose file checkpointability and reasoning in /proc Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:39   ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:39 ` [RFC][PATCH 09/11] check files for checkpointability Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:39   ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-09 17:38   ` Matt Helsley
2009-03-09 17:38   ` Matt Helsley
2009-03-12 19:14     ` Dave Hansen
     [not found]     ` <20090309173837.GC7561-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-12 19:14       ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:39 ` [RFC][PATCH 10/11] add checkpoint/restart compile helper Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:39   ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:39 ` [RFC][PATCH 11/11] optimize c/r check in dup_fd() Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:39   ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 17:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 00/11] track files for checkpointability Alexey Dobriyan
     [not found]   ` <20090305174037.GA2274-2ev+ksY9ol182hYKe6nXyg@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-05 19:16     ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 19:16       ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 21:08       ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-03-05 21:08         ` Alexey Dobriyan
     [not found]         ` <20090305210840.GA2499-2ev+ksY9ol182hYKe6nXyg@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-05 21:27           ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 21:27         ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 22:00           ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-03-05 22:00           ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-03-05 22:24             ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-06 14:34               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-06 15:48                 ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-06 16:23                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-06 16:23                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                     ` <20090306162337.GA3040-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-06 16:46                       ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-06 16:46                     ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-06 18:24                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-06 19:42                         ` Dave Hansen [this message]
     [not found]                         ` <20090306182451.GA6307-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-06 19:42                           ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-06 18:24                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                 ` <20090306143425.GA31250-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-06 15:48                   ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-13  3:05                   ` Oren Laadan
2009-03-13  3:05                 ` Oren Laadan
2009-03-06 14:34               ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]             ` <20090305220044.GA2819-2ev+ksY9ol182hYKe6nXyg@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-05 22:24               ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-06 15:08               ` Greg Kurz
2009-03-06 15:08             ` Greg Kurz
2009-03-06 15:35               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-06 15:35               ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                 ` <20090306153549.GA898-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-06 17:36                   ` Cedric Le Goater
2009-03-06 17:36                     ` Cedric Le Goater
     [not found]                     ` <49B15F35.2010909-GANU6spQydw@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-06 18:30                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-06 18:30                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                       ` <20090306183055.GA6729-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-11  7:51                         ` Cedric Le Goater
2009-03-11  7:51                       ` Cedric Le Goater
     [not found]                         ` <49B76D91.1020807-GANU6spQydw@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-12 15:30                           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-12 15:30                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-13  6:36                             ` Ensuring c/r maintainability (WAS Re: [RFC][PATCH 00/11] track files for checkpointability) Matt Helsley
2009-03-13 17:53                               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-05 19:44     ` [RFC][PATCH 00/11] track files for checkpointability Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 19:44   ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 17:40 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-03-05 18:13 ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]   ` <20090305181325.GA10666-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-05 18:16     ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 18:16   ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 18:13 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-10 15:57 ` Nathan Lynch
     [not found]   ` <20090310105702.43eb1402-4v5LP+xe+1byhTdZtsIeww@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-10 16:00     ` Nathan Lynch
2009-03-10 16:20     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-10 16:22     ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-10 16:00   ` Nathan Lynch
     [not found]     ` <20090310110000.24893e0c-4v5LP+xe+1byhTdZtsIeww@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-10 16:23       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-10 16:23     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-10 16:20   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-10 17:23     ` Nathan Lynch
2009-03-10 17:45       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-10 17:47         ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-10 22:54           ` what is CONFIG_VZ_GENCALLS Zhaohui Wang
     [not found]         ` <20090310174517.GA12101-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-10 17:47           ` [RFC][PATCH 00/11] track files for checkpointability Dave Hansen
     [not found]       ` <20090310122320.313491ce-4v5LP+xe+1byhTdZtsIeww@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-10 17:45         ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]     ` <20090310162026.GA9354-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-10 17:23       ` Nathan Lynch
2009-03-10 16:22   ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-10 15:57 ` Nathan Lynch

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