From: Cedric Le Goater <legoater-GANU6spQydw@public.gmane.org>
To: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serue-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: containers
<containers-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>,
"linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
<linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
Dave Hansen
<dave-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>,
Alexey Dobriyan
<adobriyan-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 00/11] track files for checkpointability
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 18:36:53 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <49B15F35.2010909@free.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090306153549.GA898-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> Quoting Greg Kurz (gkurz-NmTC/0ZBporQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org):
>> On Fri, 2009-03-06 at 01:00 +0300, Alexey Dobriyan wrote:
>>> On Thu, Mar 05, 2009 at 01:27:07PM -0800, Dave Hansen wrote:
>>>>> Imagine, unsupported file is opened between userspace checks
>>>>> for /proc/*/checkpointable and /proc/*/fdinfo/*/checkpointable
>>>>> and whatever, you stil have to do all the checks inside checkpoint(2).
>>>> Alexey, we have two problems here. I completely agree that we have to
>>>> do complete and thorough checks of each file descriptor at
>>>> sys_checkpoint(). Any checks made at other times should not be trusted.
>>>>
>>>> The other side is what Ingo has been asking for. How do we *know* when
>>>> we are checkpointable *before* we call (and without calling)
>>> This "without calling checkpoint(2)" results in much complications
>>> as demonstrated.
>>>
>>> task_struct and file are not like other structures because they are exposed
>>> in /proc. For PROC_FS=n kernels, one can't even check.
>>>
>>> You can do checkpoint(2) without actual dump. You pass, you're most
>>> certainly checkpointable (with inevitable race condition in mind).
>>>
>> Ahhh thank you very much Alexey ! I wanted to explain this to Dave a few
>> monthes ago but I failed... probably because of my poor English skills.
>>
>> https://lists.linux-foundation.org/pipermail/containers/2008-October/013549.html
>>
>> Why would we add checking all over the place when it MUST be done on the
>> sys_checkpoint() path ? The checkpoint(2) dry-run is definitely the way
>> to go.
>
> I'm sure Dave understood that this was possible :)
>
> But what you and Alexey are proposing does not and cannot fullfill
> Ingo's requirement.
And if Ingo's requirement is fulfilled, would any C/R patchset be acceptable ?
C.
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Cedric Le Goater <legoater@free.fr>
To: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serue@us.ibm.com>
Cc: Greg Kurz <gkurz@fr.ibm.com>,
containers <containers@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Dave Hansen <dave@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
Alexey Dobriyan <adobriyan@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 00/11] track files for checkpointability
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 18:36:53 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <49B15F35.2010909@free.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090306153549.GA898@us.ibm.com>
Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> Quoting Greg Kurz (gkurz@fr.ibm.com):
>> On Fri, 2009-03-06 at 01:00 +0300, Alexey Dobriyan wrote:
>>> On Thu, Mar 05, 2009 at 01:27:07PM -0800, Dave Hansen wrote:
>>>>> Imagine, unsupported file is opened between userspace checks
>>>>> for /proc/*/checkpointable and /proc/*/fdinfo/*/checkpointable
>>>>> and whatever, you stil have to do all the checks inside checkpoint(2).
>>>> Alexey, we have two problems here. I completely agree that we have to
>>>> do complete and thorough checks of each file descriptor at
>>>> sys_checkpoint(). Any checks made at other times should not be trusted.
>>>>
>>>> The other side is what Ingo has been asking for. How do we *know* when
>>>> we are checkpointable *before* we call (and without calling)
>>> This "without calling checkpoint(2)" results in much complications
>>> as demonstrated.
>>>
>>> task_struct and file are not like other structures because they are exposed
>>> in /proc. For PROC_FS=n kernels, one can't even check.
>>>
>>> You can do checkpoint(2) without actual dump. You pass, you're most
>>> certainly checkpointable (with inevitable race condition in mind).
>>>
>> Ahhh thank you very much Alexey ! I wanted to explain this to Dave a few
>> monthes ago but I failed... probably because of my poor English skills.
>>
>> https://lists.linux-foundation.org/pipermail/containers/2008-October/013549.html
>>
>> Why would we add checking all over the place when it MUST be done on the
>> sys_checkpoint() path ? The checkpoint(2) dry-run is definitely the way
>> to go.
>
> I'm sure Dave understood that this was possible :)
>
> But what you and Alexey are proposing does not and cannot fullfill
> Ingo's requirement.
And if Ingo's requirement is fulfilled, would any C/R patchset be acceptable ?
C.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-03-06 17:36 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-03-05 16:38 [RFC][PATCH 00/11] track files for checkpointability Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:38 ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:38 ` [RFC][PATCH 01/11] kill '_data' in cr_hdr_fd_data name Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:38 ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:38 ` [RFC][PATCH 02/11] breakout fdinfo sprintf() into its own function Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:38 ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:39 ` [RFC][PATCH 03/11] Introduce generic_file_checkpoint() Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:39 ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:39 ` [RFC][PATCH 04/11] actually use f_op in checkpoint code Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:39 ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:39 ` [RFC][PATCH 05/11] add generic checkpoint f_op to ext fses Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:39 ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-13 2:50 ` Oren Laadan
2009-03-13 2:50 ` Oren Laadan
2009-03-05 16:39 ` [RFC][PATCH 06/11] add checkpoint_file_generic() to /proc Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:39 ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:39 ` [RFC][PATCH 07/11] file c/r: expose functions to query fs support Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:39 ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:39 ` [RFC][PATCH 08/11] expose file checkpointability and reasoning in /proc Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:39 ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:39 ` [RFC][PATCH 09/11] check files for checkpointability Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:39 ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-09 17:38 ` Matt Helsley
[not found] ` <20090309173837.GC7561-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-12 19:14 ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-12 19:14 ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-09 17:38 ` Matt Helsley
2009-03-05 16:39 ` [RFC][PATCH 10/11] add checkpoint/restart compile helper Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:39 ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:39 ` [RFC][PATCH 11/11] optimize c/r check in dup_fd() Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:39 ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 17:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 00/11] track files for checkpointability Alexey Dobriyan
2009-03-05 17:40 ` Alexey Dobriyan
[not found] ` <20090305174037.GA2274-2ev+ksY9ol182hYKe6nXyg@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-05 19:16 ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 19:16 ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 21:08 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-03-05 21:08 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-03-05 21:27 ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 22:00 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-03-05 22:00 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-03-05 22:24 ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-06 14:34 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-06 15:48 ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-06 16:23 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-06 16:23 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-06 16:46 ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-06 18:24 ` Serge E. Hallyn
[not found] ` <20090306182451.GA6307-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-06 19:42 ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-06 19:42 ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-06 18:24 ` Serge E. Hallyn
[not found] ` <20090306162337.GA3040-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-06 16:46 ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-13 3:05 ` Oren Laadan
[not found] ` <20090306143425.GA31250-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-06 15:48 ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-13 3:05 ` Oren Laadan
2009-03-06 14:34 ` Serge E. Hallyn
[not found] ` <20090305220044.GA2819-2ev+ksY9ol182hYKe6nXyg@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-05 22:24 ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-06 15:08 ` Greg Kurz
2009-03-06 15:08 ` Greg Kurz
2009-03-06 15:35 ` Serge E. Hallyn
[not found] ` <20090306153549.GA898-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-06 17:36 ` Cedric Le Goater [this message]
2009-03-06 17:36 ` Cedric Le Goater
[not found] ` <49B15F35.2010909-GANU6spQydw@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-06 18:30 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-06 18:30 ` Serge E. Hallyn
[not found] ` <20090306183055.GA6729-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-11 7:51 ` Cedric Le Goater
2009-03-11 7:51 ` Cedric Le Goater
[not found] ` <49B76D91.1020807-GANU6spQydw@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-12 15:30 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-12 15:30 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-13 6:36 ` Ensuring c/r maintainability (WAS Re: [RFC][PATCH 00/11] track files for checkpointability) Matt Helsley
2009-03-13 17:53 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-06 15:35 ` [RFC][PATCH 00/11] track files for checkpointability Serge E. Hallyn
[not found] ` <20090305210840.GA2499-2ev+ksY9ol182hYKe6nXyg@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-05 21:27 ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 19:44 ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 19:44 ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 18:13 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-05 18:16 ` Dave Hansen
[not found] ` <20090305181325.GA10666-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-05 18:16 ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 18:13 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-10 15:57 ` Nathan Lynch
[not found] ` <20090310105702.43eb1402-4v5LP+xe+1byhTdZtsIeww@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-10 16:00 ` Nathan Lynch
2009-03-10 16:20 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-10 16:22 ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-10 16:00 ` Nathan Lynch
2009-03-10 16:23 ` Serge E. Hallyn
[not found] ` <20090310110000.24893e0c-4v5LP+xe+1byhTdZtsIeww@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-10 16:23 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-10 16:20 ` Serge E. Hallyn
[not found] ` <20090310162026.GA9354-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-10 17:23 ` Nathan Lynch
2009-03-10 17:23 ` Nathan Lynch
2009-03-10 17:45 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-10 17:47 ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-10 22:54 ` what is CONFIG_VZ_GENCALLS Zhaohui Wang
[not found] ` <20090310174517.GA12101-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-10 17:47 ` [RFC][PATCH 00/11] track files for checkpointability Dave Hansen
[not found] ` <20090310122320.313491ce-4v5LP+xe+1byhTdZtsIeww@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-10 17:45 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-10 16:22 ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-10 15:57 ` Nathan Lynch
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