From: john stultz <johnstul@us.ibm.com>
To: Paul Mundt <lethal@linux-sh.org>
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Linus Walleij <linus.ml.walleij@gmail.com>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Andrew Victor <linux@maxim.org.za>,
Haavard Skinnemoen <hskinnemoen@atmel.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-sh@vger.kernel.org,
linux-arm-kernel@lists.arm.linux.org.uk
Subject: Re: [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 01:09:38 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1243386578.3275.58.camel@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090527002615.GA8845@linux-sh.org>
On Wed, 2009-05-27 at 09:26 +0900, Paul Mundt wrote:
> On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 05:22:10PM -0700, john stultz wrote:
> > On Wed, 2009-05-27 at 08:44 +0900, Paul Mundt wrote:
> > > What would you recommend instead? We do not want to spin here, and if we
> > > are in the middle of changing clocksources and returning jiffies anyways,
> > > then this same issue pops up in the current sched_clock() implementation
> > > regardless of whether we are testing for lock contention or not.
> > > Likewise, even if we were to spin, the same situation exists if the new
> > > clocksource does not have the _SCHED_CLOCK bit set and we have to fall
> > > back on jiffies anyways, doesn't it?
> > >
> > > Put another way, and unless I'm missing something obvious, if we ignore
> > > my changes to sched_clock(), how is your concern not applicable to case
> > > where we are changing clocksources and using generic sched_clock() as it
> > > is today?
> >
> > Well, Thomas' point that locking isn't necessary, as sched_clock()
> > doesn't have to be correct, is probably right.
> >
> > So, I think a get_sched_clocksource() interface would be ideal (if we
> > want to get academic at a later date, the pointer could be atomically
> > updated, and we'd keep it valid for some time via an rcu like method).
> >
> > Additionally, you can set the jiffies clocksource as a _SCHED_CLOCK
> > clocksource and drop the jiffies fallback code completely.
> >
> I thought about that initially as well, but in the case of the jiffies
> clocksource, that won't handle INITIAL_JIFFIES, which we want to subtract
> to make printk times sane.
Fair point, but that shouldn't be a big issue, we can fix that in the
jiffies clocksource read() implementation.
thanks
-john
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From: john stultz <johnstul@us.ibm.com>
To: Paul Mundt <lethal@linux-sh.org>
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Linus Walleij <linus.ml.walleij@gmail.com>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Andrew Victor <linux@maxim.org.za>,
Haavard Skinnemoen <hskinnemoen@atmel.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-sh@vger.kernel.org,
linux-arm-kernel@lists.arm.linux.org.uk
Subject: Re: [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock().
Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 18:09:38 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1243386578.3275.58.camel@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090527002615.GA8845@linux-sh.org>
On Wed, 2009-05-27 at 09:26 +0900, Paul Mundt wrote:
> On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 05:22:10PM -0700, john stultz wrote:
> > On Wed, 2009-05-27 at 08:44 +0900, Paul Mundt wrote:
> > > What would you recommend instead? We do not want to spin here, and if we
> > > are in the middle of changing clocksources and returning jiffies anyways,
> > > then this same issue pops up in the current sched_clock() implementation
> > > regardless of whether we are testing for lock contention or not.
> > > Likewise, even if we were to spin, the same situation exists if the new
> > > clocksource does not have the _SCHED_CLOCK bit set and we have to fall
> > > back on jiffies anyways, doesn't it?
> > >
> > > Put another way, and unless I'm missing something obvious, if we ignore
> > > my changes to sched_clock(), how is your concern not applicable to case
> > > where we are changing clocksources and using generic sched_clock() as it
> > > is today?
> >
> > Well, Thomas' point that locking isn't necessary, as sched_clock()
> > doesn't have to be correct, is probably right.
> >
> > So, I think a get_sched_clocksource() interface would be ideal (if we
> > want to get academic at a later date, the pointer could be atomically
> > updated, and we'd keep it valid for some time via an rcu like method).
> >
> > Additionally, you can set the jiffies clocksource as a _SCHED_CLOCK
> > clocksource and drop the jiffies fallback code completely.
> >
> I thought about that initially as well, but in the case of the jiffies
> clocksource, that won't handle INITIAL_JIFFIES, which we want to subtract
> to make printk times sane.
Fair point, but that shouldn't be a big issue, we can fix that in the
jiffies clocksource read() implementation.
thanks
-john
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-05-27 1:09 UTC|newest]
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2009-05-26 6:15 [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() Paul Mundt
2009-05-26 6:15 ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-26 14:31 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback Linus Walleij
2009-05-26 14:31 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() Linus Walleij
2009-05-26 14:38 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-26 14:38 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-26 20:17 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-26 20:17 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-26 23:08 ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-26 23:08 ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-26 23:13 ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-26 23:13 ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-26 23:25 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in john stultz
2009-05-26 23:25 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() john stultz
2009-05-26 23:44 ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-26 23:44 ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-27 0:18 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-27 0:18 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-27 0:22 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in john stultz
2009-05-27 0:22 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() john stultz
2009-05-27 0:26 ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-27 0:26 ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-27 1:09 ` john stultz [this message]
2009-05-27 1:09 ` john stultz
2009-05-27 0:27 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-27 0:27 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-26 23:49 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-26 23:49 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-27 0:15 ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-27 0:15 ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-27 16:25 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in Daniel Walker
2009-05-27 16:25 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() Daniel Walker
2009-05-28 8:44 ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-28 8:44 ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-28 9:19 ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-28 9:19 ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-28 9:34 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-28 9:34 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-28 11:09 ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-28 11:09 ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-28 12:22 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-28 12:22 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-28 12:40 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-28 12:40 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-28 12:42 ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-28 12:42 ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-28 12:53 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-28 12:53 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-28 12:59 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-28 12:59 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-28 13:20 ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-28 13:20 ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-28 16:13 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in Daniel Walker
2009-05-28 16:13 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() Daniel Walker
2009-05-28 16:32 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-28 16:32 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-28 16:40 ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-28 16:40 ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-28 16:52 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in Daniel Walker
2009-05-28 16:52 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() Daniel Walker
2009-05-28 16:58 ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-28 16:58 ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-28 17:38 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in Daniel Walker
2009-05-28 17:38 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() Daniel Walker
2009-05-28 17:46 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-28 17:46 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-28 17:53 ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-28 17:53 ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-28 18:10 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in Daniel Walker
2009-05-28 18:10 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() Daniel Walker
2009-05-28 18:27 ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-28 18:27 ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-28 19:04 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in Daniel Walker
2009-05-28 19:04 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() Daniel Walker
2009-05-28 19:34 ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-28 19:34 ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-28 19:41 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in Daniel Walker
2009-05-28 19:41 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() Daniel Walker
2009-05-28 23:37 ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-28 23:37 ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-28 18:44 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-28 18:44 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-28 17:00 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-28 17:00 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-28 17:07 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in John Stultz
2009-05-28 17:07 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() John Stultz
2009-05-26 20:23 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in john stultz
2009-05-26 20:23 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() john stultz
2009-05-26 20:30 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-26 20:30 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-26 20:40 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in john stultz
2009-05-26 20:40 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() john stultz
2009-05-26 20:55 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-26 20:55 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-26 23:00 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in john stultz
2009-05-26 23:00 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() john stultz
2009-05-26 23:24 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback Mangalampalli, JayantX
2009-05-26 23:24 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() Mangalampalli, JayantX
2009-05-27 0:04 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-27 0:04 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-26 23:39 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-26 23:39 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-27 6:58 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-27 6:58 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-26 20:39 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-26 20:39 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-26 14:43 ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-26 14:43 ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-26 14:50 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-26 14:50 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-26 14:53 ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-26 14:53 ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-26 15:02 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback Matthieu CASTET
2009-05-26 15:02 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() Matthieu CASTET
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