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From: Paul Mundt <lethal@linux-sh.org>
To: john stultz <johnstul@us.ibm.com>
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Linus Walleij <linus.ml.walleij@gmail.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Andrew Victor <linux@maxim.org.za>,
	Haavard Skinnemoen <hskinnemoen@atmel.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-sh@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.arm.linux.org.uk
Subject: Re: [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock().
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 00:26:15 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090527002615.GA8845@linux-sh.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1243383730.3275.53.camel@localhost>

On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 05:22:10PM -0700, john stultz wrote:
> On Wed, 2009-05-27 at 08:44 +0900, Paul Mundt wrote:
> > What would you recommend instead? We do not want to spin here, and if we
> > are in the middle of changing clocksources and returning jiffies anyways,
> > then this same issue pops up in the current sched_clock() implementation
> > regardless of whether we are testing for lock contention or not.
> > Likewise, even if we were to spin, the same situation exists if the new
> > clocksource does not have the _SCHED_CLOCK bit set and we have to fall
> > back on jiffies anyways, doesn't it?
> > 
> > Put another way, and unless I'm missing something obvious, if we ignore
> > my changes to sched_clock(), how is your concern not applicable to case
> > where we are changing clocksources and using generic sched_clock() as it
> > is today?
> 
> Well, Thomas' point that locking isn't necessary, as sched_clock()
> doesn't have to be correct, is probably right. 
> 
> So, I think a get_sched_clocksource() interface would be ideal (if we
> want to get academic at a later date, the pointer could be atomically
> updated, and we'd keep it valid for some time via an rcu like method).
> 
> Additionally, you can set the jiffies clocksource as a _SCHED_CLOCK
> clocksource and drop the jiffies fallback code completely.
> 
I thought about that initially as well, but in the case of the jiffies
clocksource, that won't handle INITIAL_JIFFIES, which we want to subtract
to make printk times sane.

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From: Paul Mundt <lethal@linux-sh.org>
To: john stultz <johnstul@us.ibm.com>
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Linus Walleij <linus.ml.walleij@gmail.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Andrew Victor <linux@maxim.org.za>,
	Haavard Skinnemoen <hskinnemoen@atmel.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-sh@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.arm.linux.org.uk
Subject: Re: [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock().
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 09:26:15 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090527002615.GA8845@linux-sh.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1243383730.3275.53.camel@localhost>

On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 05:22:10PM -0700, john stultz wrote:
> On Wed, 2009-05-27 at 08:44 +0900, Paul Mundt wrote:
> > What would you recommend instead? We do not want to spin here, and if we
> > are in the middle of changing clocksources and returning jiffies anyways,
> > then this same issue pops up in the current sched_clock() implementation
> > regardless of whether we are testing for lock contention or not.
> > Likewise, even if we were to spin, the same situation exists if the new
> > clocksource does not have the _SCHED_CLOCK bit set and we have to fall
> > back on jiffies anyways, doesn't it?
> > 
> > Put another way, and unless I'm missing something obvious, if we ignore
> > my changes to sched_clock(), how is your concern not applicable to case
> > where we are changing clocksources and using generic sched_clock() as it
> > is today?
> 
> Well, Thomas' point that locking isn't necessary, as sched_clock()
> doesn't have to be correct, is probably right. 
> 
> So, I think a get_sched_clocksource() interface would be ideal (if we
> want to get academic at a later date, the pointer could be atomically
> updated, and we'd keep it valid for some time via an rcu like method).
> 
> Additionally, you can set the jiffies clocksource as a _SCHED_CLOCK
> clocksource and drop the jiffies fallback code completely.
> 
I thought about that initially as well, but in the case of the jiffies
clocksource, that won't handle INITIAL_JIFFIES, which we want to subtract
to make printk times sane.

  reply	other threads:[~2009-05-27  0:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 114+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-05-26  6:15 [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() Paul Mundt
2009-05-26  6:15 ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-26 14:31 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback Linus Walleij
2009-05-26 14:31   ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() Linus Walleij
2009-05-26 14:38   ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-26 14:38     ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-26 20:17     ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-26 20:17       ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-26 23:08       ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-26 23:08         ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-26 23:13         ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-26 23:13           ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-26 23:25         ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in john stultz
2009-05-26 23:25           ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() john stultz
2009-05-26 23:44           ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-26 23:44             ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-27  0:18             ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-27  0:18               ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-27  0:22             ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in john stultz
2009-05-27  0:22               ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() john stultz
2009-05-27  0:26               ` Paul Mundt [this message]
2009-05-27  0:26                 ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-27  1:09                 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in john stultz
2009-05-27  1:09                   ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() john stultz
2009-05-27  0:27               ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-27  0:27                 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-26 23:49         ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-26 23:49           ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-27  0:15           ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-27  0:15             ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-27 16:25             ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in Daniel Walker
2009-05-27 16:25               ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() Daniel Walker
2009-05-28  8:44               ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-28  8:44                 ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-28  9:19               ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-28  9:19                 ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-28  9:34                 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-28  9:34                   ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-28 11:09                   ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-28 11:09                     ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-28 12:22                     ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-28 12:22                       ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-28 12:40                       ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-28 12:40                         ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-28 12:42                       ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-28 12:42                         ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-28 12:53                         ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-28 12:53                           ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-28 12:59                         ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-28 12:59                           ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-28 13:20                           ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-28 13:20                             ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-28 16:13                           ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in Daniel Walker
2009-05-28 16:13                             ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() Daniel Walker
2009-05-28 16:32                             ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-28 16:32                               ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-28 16:40                               ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-28 16:40                                 ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-28 16:52                                 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in Daniel Walker
2009-05-28 16:52                                   ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() Daniel Walker
2009-05-28 16:58                                   ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-28 16:58                                     ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-28 17:38                                     ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in Daniel Walker
2009-05-28 17:38                                       ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() Daniel Walker
2009-05-28 17:46                                       ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-28 17:46                                         ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-28 17:53                                       ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-28 17:53                                         ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-28 18:10                                         ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in Daniel Walker
2009-05-28 18:10                                           ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() Daniel Walker
2009-05-28 18:27                                           ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-28 18:27                                             ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-28 19:04                                             ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in Daniel Walker
2009-05-28 19:04                                               ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() Daniel Walker
2009-05-28 19:34                                               ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-28 19:34                                                 ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-28 19:41                                                 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in Daniel Walker
2009-05-28 19:41                                                   ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() Daniel Walker
2009-05-28 23:37                                                   ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-28 23:37                                                     ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-28 18:44                                           ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-28 18:44                                             ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-28 17:00                                   ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-28 17:00                                     ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-28 17:07                                 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in John Stultz
2009-05-28 17:07                                   ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() John Stultz
2009-05-26 20:23     ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in john stultz
2009-05-26 20:23       ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() john stultz
2009-05-26 20:30       ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-26 20:30         ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-26 20:40         ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in john stultz
2009-05-26 20:40           ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() john stultz
2009-05-26 20:55           ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-26 20:55             ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-26 23:00             ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in john stultz
2009-05-26 23:00               ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() john stultz
2009-05-26 23:24               ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback Mangalampalli, JayantX
2009-05-26 23:24                 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() Mangalampalli, JayantX
2009-05-27  0:04                 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-27  0:04                   ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-26 23:39               ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-26 23:39                 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-27  6:58               ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-27  6:58                 ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-26 20:39       ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-26 20:39         ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-26 14:43   ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-26 14:43     ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-26 14:50     ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-26 14:50       ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-26 14:53       ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-26 14:53         ` Paul Mundt
2009-05-26 15:02   ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback Matthieu CASTET
2009-05-26 15:02     ` [PATCH] sched: Support current clocksource handling in fallback sched_clock() Matthieu CASTET

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