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From: Dave Hansen <dave@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	Dan Magenheimer <dan.magenheimer@oracle.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	jeremy@goop.org, hugh.dickins@tiscali.co.uk, ngupta@vflare.org,
	JBeulich@novell.com, chris.mason@oracle.com,
	kurt.hackel@oracle.com, dave.mccracken@oracle.com,
	npiggin@suse.de, akpm@linux-foundation.org, riel@redhat.com
Subject: Re: Frontswap [PATCH 0/4] (was Transcendent Memory): overview
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 09:04:26 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1272643466.23895.2529.camel@nimitz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4BDA8324.7090409@redhat.com>

On Fri, 2010-04-30 at 10:13 +0300, Avi Kivity wrote:
> On 04/30/2010 04:45 AM, Dave Hansen wrote:
> >
> > A large portion of CMM2's gain came from the fact that you could take
> > memory away from guests without _them_ doing any work.  If the system is
> > experiencing a load spike, you increase load even more by making the
> > guests swap.  If you can just take some of their memory away, you can
> > smooth that spike out.  CMM2 and frontswap do that.  The guests
> > explicitly give up page contents that the hypervisor does not have to
> > first consult with the guest before discarding.
> >    
> 
> Frontswap does not do this.  Once a page has been frontswapped, the host 
> is committed to retaining it until the guest releases it.  It's really 
> not very different from a synchronous swap device.
> 
> I think cleancache allows the hypervisor to drop pages without the 
> guest's immediate knowledge, but I'm not sure.

Gah.  You're right.  I'm  reading the two threads and confusing the
concepts.  I'm a bit less mystified why the discussion is revolving
around the swap device so much. :)

-- Dave


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From: Dave Hansen <dave@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	Dan Magenheimer <dan.magenheimer@oracle.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	jeremy@goop.org, hugh.dickins@tiscali.co.uk, ngupta@vflare.org,
	JBeulich@novell.com, chris.mason@oracle.com,
	kurt.hackel@oracle.com, dave.mccracken@oracle.com,
	npiggin@suse.de, akpm@linux-foundation.org, riel@redhat.com
Subject: Re: Frontswap [PATCH 0/4] (was Transcendent Memory): overview
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 09:04:26 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1272643466.23895.2529.camel@nimitz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4BDA8324.7090409@redhat.com>

On Fri, 2010-04-30 at 10:13 +0300, Avi Kivity wrote:
> On 04/30/2010 04:45 AM, Dave Hansen wrote:
> >
> > A large portion of CMM2's gain came from the fact that you could take
> > memory away from guests without _them_ doing any work.  If the system is
> > experiencing a load spike, you increase load even more by making the
> > guests swap.  If you can just take some of their memory away, you can
> > smooth that spike out.  CMM2 and frontswap do that.  The guests
> > explicitly give up page contents that the hypervisor does not have to
> > first consult with the guest before discarding.
> >    
> 
> Frontswap does not do this.  Once a page has been frontswapped, the host 
> is committed to retaining it until the guest releases it.  It's really 
> not very different from a synchronous swap device.
> 
> I think cleancache allows the hypervisor to drop pages without the 
> guest's immediate knowledge, but I'm not sure.

Gah.  You're right.  I'm  reading the two threads and confusing the
concepts.  I'm a bit less mystified why the discussion is revolving
around the swap device so much. :)

-- Dave

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Thread overview: 163+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-04-22 13:42 Frontswap [PATCH 0/4] (was Transcendent Memory): overview Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-22 13:42 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-22 15:28 ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-22 15:28   ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-22 15:48   ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-22 15:48     ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-22 16:13     ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-22 16:13       ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-22 20:15       ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-22 20:15         ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-23  9:48         ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-23  9:48           ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-23 13:47           ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-23 13:47             ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-23 13:57             ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-23 13:57               ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-23 14:43               ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-23 14:43                 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-23 14:52                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-23 14:52                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-23 15:00                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-23 15:00                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-23 16:26                     ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-23 16:26                       ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-24 18:25                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-24 18:25                         ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                         ` <1c02a94a-a6aa-4cbb-a2e6-9d4647760e91@default4BD43033.7090706@redhat.com>
2010-04-25  0:41                         ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-25  0:41                           ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-25 12:06                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-25 12:06                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-25 13:12                             ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-25 13:12                               ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-25 13:18                               ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-25 13:18                                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-28  5:55                               ` Pavel Machek
2010-04-28  5:55                                 ` Pavel Machek
2010-04-29 14:42                                 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-29 14:42                                   ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-29 18:59                                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-29 18:59                                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-29 19:01                                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-29 19:01                                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-29 18:53                                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-29 18:53                                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-30  1:45                                 ` Dave Hansen
2010-04-30  1:45                                   ` Dave Hansen
2010-04-30  7:13                                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-30  7:13                                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-30 15:59                                     ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-30 15:59                                       ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-30 16:08                                       ` Dave Hansen
2010-04-30 16:08                                         ` Dave Hansen
2010-05-10 16:05                                         ` Martin Schwidefsky
2010-05-10 16:05                                           ` Martin Schwidefsky
2010-04-30 16:16                                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-30 16:16                                         ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                         ` <4BDB18CE.2090608@goop.org4BDB2069.4000507@redhat.com>
     [not found]                                           ` <3a62a058-7976-48d7-acd2-8c6a8312f10f@default20100502071059.GF1790@ucw.cz>
2010-04-30 16:43                                         ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-30 16:43                                           ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-30 17:10                                           ` Dave Hansen
2010-04-30 17:10                                             ` Dave Hansen
2010-04-30 18:08                                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-30 18:08                                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-30 17:52                                         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2010-04-30 17:52                                           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2010-04-30 18:24                                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-30 18:24                                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-30 18:59                                             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2010-04-30 18:59                                               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2010-05-01  8:28                                               ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-01  8:28                                                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-01 17:10                                             ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-01 17:10                                               ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-02  7:11                                               ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-02  7:11                                                 ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-02 15:05                                                 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-02 15:05                                                   ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-02 20:06                                                   ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-02 20:06                                                     ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-02 21:05                                                     ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-02 21:05                                                       ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-02  7:57                                               ` Nitin Gupta
2010-05-02  7:57                                                 ` Nitin Gupta
2010-05-02 16:06                                                 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-02 16:06                                                   ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-02 16:48                                                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-02 16:48                                                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-02 17:22                                                     ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-02 17:22                                                       ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-03  9:39                                                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-03  9:39                                                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-03 14:59                                                         ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-03 14:59                                                           ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-02 15:35                                               ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-02 15:35                                                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-02 17:06                                                 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-02 17:06                                                   ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-03  8:46                                                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-03  8:46                                                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-03 16:01                                                     ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-03 16:01                                                       ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-03 19:32                                                       ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-03 19:32                                                         ` Pavel Machek
2010-04-30 16:04                                     ` Dave Hansen [this message]
2010-04-30 16:04                                       ` Dave Hansen
2010-04-23 15:56                   ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-23 15:56                     ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-24 18:22                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-24 18:22                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-25  0:30                       ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-25  0:30                         ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-25 12:11                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-25 12:11                           ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                           ` <c5062f3a-3232-4b21-b032-2ee1f2485ff0@default4BD44E74.2020506@redhat.com>
2010-04-25 13:37                           ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-25 13:37                             ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-25 14:15                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-25 14:15                               ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-25 15:29                               ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-25 15:29                                 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-26  6:01                                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-26  6:01                                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-26 12:45                                   ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-26 12:45                                     ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-26 13:48                                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-26 13:48                                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-27 12:56                                 ` Pavel Machek
2010-04-27 12:56                                   ` Pavel Machek
2010-04-27 14:32                                   ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-27 14:32                                     ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-29 13:02                                     ` Pavel Machek
2010-04-29 13:02                                       ` Pavel Machek
2010-04-27 11:52                             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-04-27  0:49                           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2010-04-27  0:49                             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2010-04-27 12:55                         ` Pavel Machek
2010-04-27 12:55                           ` Pavel Machek
2010-04-27 14:43                           ` Nitin Gupta
2010-04-27 14:43                             ` Nitin Gupta
2010-04-29 13:04                             ` Pavel Machek
2010-04-29 13:04                               ` Pavel Machek
2010-04-24  1:49                   ` Nitin Gupta
2010-04-24  1:49                     ` Nitin Gupta
2010-04-24 18:27                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-24 18:27                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-25  3:11                       ` Nitin Gupta
2010-04-25  3:11                         ` Nitin Gupta
2010-04-25 12:16                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-25 12:16                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-25 16:05                           ` Nitin Gupta
2010-04-25 16:05                             ` Nitin Gupta
2010-04-26  6:06                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-26  6:06                               ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-26 12:50                               ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-26 12:50                                 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-26 13:43                                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-26 13:43                                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-27  8:29                                   ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-27  8:29                                     ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-27  9:21                                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-27  9:21                                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-26 13:47                               ` Nitin Gupta
2010-04-26 13:47                                 ` Nitin Gupta
2010-04-23 16:35             ` Jiahua
2010-04-23 16:35               ` Jiahua

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