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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: Dan Magenheimer <dan.magenheimer@oracle.com>
Cc: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
	Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>,
	Dave Hansen <dave@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	hugh.dickins@tiscali.co.uk, ngupta@vflare.org,
	JBeulich@novell.com, chris.mason@oracle.com,
	kurt.hackel@oracle.com, dave.mccracken@oracle.com,
	npiggin@suse.de, akpm@linux-foundation.org, riel@redhat.com
Subject: Re: Frontswap [PATCH 0/4] (was Transcendent Memory): overview
Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 09:11:00 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100502071059.GF1790@ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3a62a058-7976-48d7-acd2-8c6a8312f10f@default>


> So there are two users of frontswap for which the synchronous
> interface makes sense.  I believe there may be more in the
> future and you disagree but, as Jeremy said, "a general Linux
> principle is not to overdesign interfaces for hypothetical users,
> only for real needs."  We have demonstrated there is a need
> with at least two users so the debate is only whether the
> number of users is two or more than two.
> 
> Frontswap is a very non-invasive patch and is very cleanly
> layered so that if it is not in the presence of either of 
> the intended "users", it can be turned off in many different
> ways with zero overhead (CONFIG'ed off) or extremely small overhead
> (frontswap_ops is never set; or frontswap_ops is set but the
> underlying hypervisor doesn't support it so frontswap_poolid
> never gets set).

Yet there are less invasive solutions available, like 'add trim
operation to swap_ops'.

So what needs to be said here is 'frontswap is XX times faster than
swap_ops based solution on workload YY'.
								       Pavel

-- 
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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: Dan Magenheimer <dan.magenheimer@oracle.com>
Cc: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
	Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>,
	Dave Hansen <dave@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	hugh.dickins@tiscali.co.uk, ngupta@vflare.org,
	JBeulich@novell.com, chris.mason@oracle.com,
	kurt.hackel@oracle.com, dave.mccracken@oracle.com,
	npiggin@suse.de, akpm@linux-foundation.org, riel@redhat.com
Subject: Re: Frontswap [PATCH 0/4] (was Transcendent Memory): overview
Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 09:11:00 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100502071059.GF1790@ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3a62a058-7976-48d7-acd2-8c6a8312f10f@default>


> So there are two users of frontswap for which the synchronous
> interface makes sense.  I believe there may be more in the
> future and you disagree but, as Jeremy said, "a general Linux
> principle is not to overdesign interfaces for hypothetical users,
> only for real needs."  We have demonstrated there is a need
> with at least two users so the debate is only whether the
> number of users is two or more than two.
> 
> Frontswap is a very non-invasive patch and is very cleanly
> layered so that if it is not in the presence of either of 
> the intended "users", it can be turned off in many different
> ways with zero overhead (CONFIG'ed off) or extremely small overhead
> (frontswap_ops is never set; or frontswap_ops is set but the
> underlying hypervisor doesn't support it so frontswap_poolid
> never gets set).

Yet there are less invasive solutions available, like 'add trim
operation to swap_ops'.

So what needs to be said here is 'frontswap is XX times faster than
swap_ops based solution on workload YY'.
								       Pavel

-- 
(english) http://www.livejournal.com/~pavelmachek
(cesky, pictures) http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/picture/horses/blog.html

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  reply	other threads:[~2010-05-02  7:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 163+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-04-22 13:42 Frontswap [PATCH 0/4] (was Transcendent Memory): overview Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-22 13:42 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-22 15:28 ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-22 15:28   ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-22 15:48   ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-22 15:48     ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-22 16:13     ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-22 16:13       ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-22 20:15       ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-22 20:15         ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-23  9:48         ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-23  9:48           ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-23 13:47           ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-23 13:47             ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-23 13:57             ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-23 13:57               ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-23 14:43               ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-23 14:43                 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-23 14:52                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-23 14:52                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-23 15:00                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-23 15:00                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-23 16:26                     ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-23 16:26                       ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-24 18:25                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-24 18:25                         ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                         ` <1c02a94a-a6aa-4cbb-a2e6-9d4647760e91@default4BD43033.7090706@redhat.com>
2010-04-25  0:41                         ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-25  0:41                           ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-25 12:06                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-25 12:06                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-25 13:12                             ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-25 13:12                               ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-25 13:18                               ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-25 13:18                                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-28  5:55                               ` Pavel Machek
2010-04-28  5:55                                 ` Pavel Machek
2010-04-29 14:42                                 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-29 14:42                                   ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-29 18:59                                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-29 18:59                                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-29 19:01                                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-29 19:01                                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-29 18:53                                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-29 18:53                                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-30  1:45                                 ` Dave Hansen
2010-04-30  1:45                                   ` Dave Hansen
2010-04-30  7:13                                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-30  7:13                                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-30 15:59                                     ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-30 15:59                                       ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-30 16:08                                       ` Dave Hansen
2010-04-30 16:08                                         ` Dave Hansen
2010-05-10 16:05                                         ` Martin Schwidefsky
2010-05-10 16:05                                           ` Martin Schwidefsky
2010-04-30 16:16                                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-30 16:16                                         ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                         ` <4BDB18CE.2090608@goop.org4BDB2069.4000507@redhat.com>
     [not found]                                           ` <3a62a058-7976-48d7-acd2-8c6a8312f10f@default20100502071059.GF1790@ucw.cz>
2010-04-30 16:43                                         ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-30 16:43                                           ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-30 17:10                                           ` Dave Hansen
2010-04-30 17:10                                             ` Dave Hansen
2010-04-30 18:08                                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-30 18:08                                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-30 17:52                                         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2010-04-30 17:52                                           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2010-04-30 18:24                                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-30 18:24                                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-30 18:59                                             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2010-04-30 18:59                                               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2010-05-01  8:28                                               ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-01  8:28                                                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-01 17:10                                             ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-01 17:10                                               ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-02  7:11                                               ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2010-05-02  7:11                                                 ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-02 15:05                                                 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-02 15:05                                                   ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-02 20:06                                                   ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-02 20:06                                                     ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-02 21:05                                                     ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-02 21:05                                                       ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-02  7:57                                               ` Nitin Gupta
2010-05-02  7:57                                                 ` Nitin Gupta
2010-05-02 16:06                                                 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-02 16:06                                                   ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-02 16:48                                                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-02 16:48                                                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-02 17:22                                                     ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-02 17:22                                                       ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-03  9:39                                                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-03  9:39                                                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-03 14:59                                                         ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-03 14:59                                                           ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-02 15:35                                               ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-02 15:35                                                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-02 17:06                                                 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-02 17:06                                                   ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-03  8:46                                                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-03  8:46                                                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-03 16:01                                                     ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-03 16:01                                                       ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-03 19:32                                                       ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-03 19:32                                                         ` Pavel Machek
2010-04-30 16:04                                     ` Dave Hansen
2010-04-30 16:04                                       ` Dave Hansen
2010-04-23 15:56                   ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-23 15:56                     ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-24 18:22                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-24 18:22                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-25  0:30                       ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-25  0:30                         ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-25 12:11                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-25 12:11                           ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                           ` <c5062f3a-3232-4b21-b032-2ee1f2485ff0@default4BD44E74.2020506@redhat.com>
2010-04-25 13:37                           ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-25 13:37                             ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-25 14:15                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-25 14:15                               ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-25 15:29                               ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-25 15:29                                 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-26  6:01                                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-26  6:01                                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-26 12:45                                   ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-26 12:45                                     ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-26 13:48                                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-26 13:48                                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-27 12:56                                 ` Pavel Machek
2010-04-27 12:56                                   ` Pavel Machek
2010-04-27 14:32                                   ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-27 14:32                                     ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-29 13:02                                     ` Pavel Machek
2010-04-29 13:02                                       ` Pavel Machek
2010-04-27 11:52                             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-04-27  0:49                           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2010-04-27  0:49                             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2010-04-27 12:55                         ` Pavel Machek
2010-04-27 12:55                           ` Pavel Machek
2010-04-27 14:43                           ` Nitin Gupta
2010-04-27 14:43                             ` Nitin Gupta
2010-04-29 13:04                             ` Pavel Machek
2010-04-29 13:04                               ` Pavel Machek
2010-04-24  1:49                   ` Nitin Gupta
2010-04-24  1:49                     ` Nitin Gupta
2010-04-24 18:27                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-24 18:27                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-25  3:11                       ` Nitin Gupta
2010-04-25  3:11                         ` Nitin Gupta
2010-04-25 12:16                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-25 12:16                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-25 16:05                           ` Nitin Gupta
2010-04-25 16:05                             ` Nitin Gupta
2010-04-26  6:06                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-26  6:06                               ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-26 12:50                               ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-26 12:50                                 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-26 13:43                                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-26 13:43                                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-27  8:29                                   ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-27  8:29                                     ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-04-27  9:21                                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-27  9:21                                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-26 13:47                               ` Nitin Gupta
2010-04-26 13:47                                 ` Nitin Gupta
2010-04-23 16:35             ` Jiahua
2010-04-23 16:35               ` Jiahua

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