From: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
To: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
linux-mm@kvack.org, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
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Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>,
Tony Luck <tony.luck@intel.com>, Paul Mundt <lethal@linux-sh.org>,
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Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>,
Ralf Baechle <ralf@linux-mips.org>,
Kyle McMartin <kyle@mcmartin.c>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 02/20] mm: Add optional TLB flush to generic RCU page-table freeing
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 13:05:11 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1340881511.28750.19.camel@twins> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1340867364.20977.65.camel@pasglop>
On Thu, 2012-06-28 at 17:09 +1000, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
> On Thu, 2012-06-28 at 01:01 +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Wed, 2012-06-27 at 15:23 -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> >
> > > Plus it really isn't about hardware page table walkers at all. It's
> > > more about the possibility of speculative TLB fils, it has nothing to
> > > do with *how* they are done. Sure, it's likely that a software
> > > pagetable walker wouldn't be something that gets called speculatively,
> > > but it's not out of the question.
> > >
> > Hmm, I would call gup_fast() as speculative as we can get in software.
> > It does a lock-less walk of the page-tables. That's what the RCU free'd
> > page-table stuff is for to begin with.
>
> Strictly speaking it's not :-) To *begin with* (as in the origin of that
> code) it comes from powerpc hash table code which walks the linux page
> tables locklessly :-) It then came in handy with gup_fast :-)
Ah, ok my bad.
> > > IOW, if Sparc/PPC really want to guarantee that they never fill TLB
> > > entries speculatively, and that if we are in a kernel thread they will
> > > *never* fill the TLB with anything else, then make them enable
> > > CONFIG_STRICT_TLB_FILL or something in their architecture Kconfig
> > > files.
> >
> > Since we've dealt with the speculative software side by using RCU-ish
> > stuff, the only thing that's left is hardware, now neither sparc64 nor
> > ppc actually know about the linux page-tables from what I understood,
> > they only look at their hash-table thing.
>
> Some embedded ppc's know about the lowest level (SW loaded PMD) but
> that's not an issue here. We flush these special TLB entries
> specifically and synchronously in __pte_free_tlb().
OK, I missed that.. is that
arch/powerpc/mm/tlb_nohash.c:tlb_flush_pgtable() ?
> > So even if the hardware did do speculative tlb fills, it would do them
> > from the hash-table, but that's already cleared out.
>
> Right,
Phew at least I got the important thing right ;-)
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From: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
To: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
linux-mm@kvack.org, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
Hugh Dickins <hugh.dickins@tiscali.co.uk>,
Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>, Nick Piggin <npiggin@kernel.dk>,
Alex Shi <alex.shi@intel.com>,
"Nikunj A. Dadhania" <nikunj@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad@darnok.org>,
David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
Russell King <rmk@arm.linux.org.uk>,
Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
Chris Metcalf <cmetcalf@tilera.com>,
Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>,
Tony Luck <tony.luck@intel.com>, Paul Mundt <lethal@linux-sh.org>,
Jeff Dike <jdike@addtoit.com>,
Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>,
Ralf Baechle <ralf@linux-mips.org>,
Kyle McMartin <kyle@mcmartin.ca>,
James Bottomley <jejb@parisc-linux.org>,
Chris Zankel <chris@zankel.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 02/20] mm: Add optional TLB flush to generic RCU page-table freeing
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 13:05:11 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1340881511.28750.19.camel@twins> (raw)
Message-ID: <20120628110511.LI0k0A8p1i-3hgh39RefU8AWBMmNvWNfk-eJDKK7VKE@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1340867364.20977.65.camel@pasglop>
On Thu, 2012-06-28 at 17:09 +1000, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
> On Thu, 2012-06-28 at 01:01 +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Wed, 2012-06-27 at 15:23 -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> >
> > > Plus it really isn't about hardware page table walkers at all. It's
> > > more about the possibility of speculative TLB fils, it has nothing to
> > > do with *how* they are done. Sure, it's likely that a software
> > > pagetable walker wouldn't be something that gets called speculatively,
> > > but it's not out of the question.
> > >
> > Hmm, I would call gup_fast() as speculative as we can get in software.
> > It does a lock-less walk of the page-tables. That's what the RCU free'd
> > page-table stuff is for to begin with.
>
> Strictly speaking it's not :-) To *begin with* (as in the origin of that
> code) it comes from powerpc hash table code which walks the linux page
> tables locklessly :-) It then came in handy with gup_fast :-)
Ah, ok my bad.
> > > IOW, if Sparc/PPC really want to guarantee that they never fill TLB
> > > entries speculatively, and that if we are in a kernel thread they will
> > > *never* fill the TLB with anything else, then make them enable
> > > CONFIG_STRICT_TLB_FILL or something in their architecture Kconfig
> > > files.
> >
> > Since we've dealt with the speculative software side by using RCU-ish
> > stuff, the only thing that's left is hardware, now neither sparc64 nor
> > ppc actually know about the linux page-tables from what I understood,
> > they only look at their hash-table thing.
>
> Some embedded ppc's know about the lowest level (SW loaded PMD) but
> that's not an issue here. We flush these special TLB entries
> specifically and synchronously in __pte_free_tlb().
OK, I missed that.. is that
arch/powerpc/mm/tlb_nohash.c:tlb_flush_pgtable() ?
> > So even if the hardware did do speculative tlb fills, it would do them
> > from the hash-table, but that's already cleared out.
>
> Right,
Phew at least I got the important thing right ;-)
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
To: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
linux-mm@kvack.org, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
Hugh Dickins <hugh.dickins@tiscali.co.uk>,
Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>, Nick Piggin <npiggin@kernel.dk>,
Alex Shi <alex.shi@intel.com>,
"Nikunj A. Dadhania" <nikunj@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad@darnok.org>,
David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
Russell King <rmk@arm.linux.org.uk>,
Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
Chris Metcalf <cmetcalf@tilera.com>,
Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>,
Tony Luck <tony.luck@intel.com>, Paul Mundt <lethal@linux-sh.org>,
Jeff Dike <jdike@addtoit.com>,
Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>,
Ralf Baechle <ralf@linux-mips.org>,
Kyle McMartin <kyle@mcmartin.ca>,
James Bottomley <jejb@parisc-linux.org>,
Chris Zankel <chris@zankel.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 02/20] mm: Add optional TLB flush to generic RCU page-table freeing
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 13:05:11 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1340881511.28750.19.camel@twins> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1340867364.20977.65.camel@pasglop>
On Thu, 2012-06-28 at 17:09 +1000, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
> On Thu, 2012-06-28 at 01:01 +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Wed, 2012-06-27 at 15:23 -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> >
> > > Plus it really isn't about hardware page table walkers at all. It's
> > > more about the possibility of speculative TLB fils, it has nothing to
> > > do with *how* they are done. Sure, it's likely that a software
> > > pagetable walker wouldn't be something that gets called speculatively,
> > > but it's not out of the question.
> > >
> > Hmm, I would call gup_fast() as speculative as we can get in software.
> > It does a lock-less walk of the page-tables. That's what the RCU free'd
> > page-table stuff is for to begin with.
>
> Strictly speaking it's not :-) To *begin with* (as in the origin of that
> code) it comes from powerpc hash table code which walks the linux page
> tables locklessly :-) It then came in handy with gup_fast :-)
Ah, ok my bad.
> > > IOW, if Sparc/PPC really want to guarantee that they never fill TLB
> > > entries speculatively, and that if we are in a kernel thread they will
> > > *never* fill the TLB with anything else, then make them enable
> > > CONFIG_STRICT_TLB_FILL or something in their architecture Kconfig
> > > files.
> >
> > Since we've dealt with the speculative software side by using RCU-ish
> > stuff, the only thing that's left is hardware, now neither sparc64 nor
> > ppc actually know about the linux page-tables from what I understood,
> > they only look at their hash-table thing.
>
> Some embedded ppc's know about the lowest level (SW loaded PMD) but
> that's not an issue here. We flush these special TLB entries
> specifically and synchronously in __pte_free_tlb().
OK, I missed that.. is that
arch/powerpc/mm/tlb_nohash.c:tlb_flush_pgtable() ?
> > So even if the hardware did do speculative tlb fills, it would do them
> > from the hash-table, but that's already cleared out.
>
> Right,
Phew at least I got the important thing right ;-)
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Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-06-27 21:15 [PATCH 00/20] Unify TLB gather implementations -v3 Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 21:15 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 21:15 ` [PATCH 01/20] mm, x86: Add HAVE_RCU_TABLE_FREE support Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 21:15 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 21:15 ` [PATCH 02/20] mm: Add optional TLB flush to generic RCU page-table freeing Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 21:15 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 22:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-06-27 22:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-06-27 23:01 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 23:01 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 23:01 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 23:42 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-06-27 23:42 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-06-27 23:42 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-06-28 7:09 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-06-28 7:09 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-06-28 7:09 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-06-28 11:05 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2012-06-28 11:05 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-28 11:05 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-28 12:00 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-06-28 12:00 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-06-28 12:00 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-07-24 5:12 ` Nikunj A Dadhania
2012-07-24 5:12 ` Nikunj A Dadhania
2012-07-24 5:12 ` Nikunj A Dadhania
2012-06-27 21:15 ` [PATCH 03/20] mm, tlb: Remove a few #ifdefs Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 21:15 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 21:15 ` [PATCH 04/20] mm, s390: use generic RCU page-table freeing code Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 21:15 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 21:15 ` [PATCH 05/20] mm, powerpc: Dont use tlb_flush for external tlb flushes Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 21:15 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 21:15 ` [PATCH 06/20] mm, sparc64: " Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 21:15 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 21:15 ` [PATCH 07/20] mm, arch: Remove tlb_flush() Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 21:15 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 21:15 ` [PATCH 08/20] mm: Optimize fullmm TLB flushing Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 21:15 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 22:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-06-27 22:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-06-27 23:02 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 23:02 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 23:13 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 23:13 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 23:13 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 23:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-06-27 23:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-06-27 23:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-06-27 23:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-06-27 23:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-06-27 23:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-06-28 9:16 ` Catalin Marinas
2012-06-28 9:16 ` Catalin Marinas
2012-06-28 10:39 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-06-28 10:39 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-06-28 10:59 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-28 10:59 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-28 14:53 ` Catalin Marinas
2012-06-28 14:53 ` Catalin Marinas
2012-06-28 16:20 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-28 16:20 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-28 16:38 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-28 16:38 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-28 16:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-06-28 16:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-06-28 16:52 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-28 16:52 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-28 21:57 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-06-28 21:57 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-06-28 21:58 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-06-28 21:58 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-06-29 8:49 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-29 8:49 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-29 15:26 ` Catalin Marinas
2012-06-29 15:26 ` Catalin Marinas
2012-06-29 22:11 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-06-29 22:11 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-06-28 10:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-28 10:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-28 10:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-28 11:19 ` Martin Schwidefsky
2012-06-28 11:19 ` Martin Schwidefsky
2012-06-28 11:19 ` Martin Schwidefsky
2012-06-28 11:30 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-28 11:30 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-28 11:30 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-28 16:00 ` Avi Kivity
2012-06-28 16:00 ` Avi Kivity
2012-06-27 21:15 ` [PATCH 09/20] mm, arch: Add end argument to p??_free_tlb() Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 21:15 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 21:15 ` [PATCH 10/20] mm: Provide generic range tracking and flushing Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 21:15 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 21:15 ` [PATCH 11/20] mm, s390: Convert to use generic mmu_gather Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 21:15 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 22:13 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 22:13 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-28 7:13 ` Martin Schwidefsky
2012-06-28 7:13 ` Martin Schwidefsky
2012-06-27 21:15 ` [PATCH 12/20] mm, arm: Convert arm to generic tlb Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 21:15 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 21:15 ` [PATCH 13/20] mm, ia64: Convert ia64 " Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 21:15 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 21:15 ` [PATCH 14/20] mm, sh: Convert sh " Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 21:15 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-28 18:32 ` Paul Mundt
2012-06-28 18:32 ` Paul Mundt
2012-06-28 20:27 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-28 20:27 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 21:15 ` [PATCH 15/20] mm, um: Convert um " Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 21:15 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 21:15 ` [PATCH 16/20] mm, avr32: Convert avr32 " Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 21:15 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 21:15 ` [PATCH 17/20] mm, mips: Convert mips " Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 21:15 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 21:15 ` [PATCH 18/20] mm, parisc: Convert parisc " Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 21:15 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 21:15 ` [PATCH 19/20] mm, sparc32: Convert sparc32 " Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 21:15 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 21:16 ` [PATCH 20/20] mm, xtensa: Convert xtensa " Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 21:16 ` Peter Zijlstra
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