From: Ric Mason <ric.masonn@gmail.com>
To: Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>
Cc: Izik Eidus <izik.eidus@ravellosystems.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
Petr Holasek <pholasek@redhat.com>,
Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
Anton Arapov <anton@redhat.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/11] ksm: NUMA trees and page migration
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 18:05:36 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1359590736.1557.0.camel@kernel> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130129165125.GA17671@redhat.com>
On Tue, 2013-01-29 at 17:51 +0100, Andrea Arcangeli wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 04:26:13AM +0200, Izik Eidus wrote:
> > On 01/29/2013 02:49 AM, Izik Eidus wrote:
> > > On 01/29/2013 01:54 AM, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > >> On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 17:53:10 -0800 (PST)
> > >> Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Here's a KSM series
> > >> Sanity check: do you have a feeling for how useful KSM is?
> > >> Performance/space improvements for typical (or atypical) workloads?
> > >> Are people using it? Successfully?
> >
> >
> > BTW, After thinking a bit about the word people, I wanted to see if
> > normal users of linux
> > that just download and install Linux (without using special
> > virtualization product) are able to use it.
> > So I google little bit for it, and found some nice results from users:
> > http://serverascode.com/2012/11/11/ksm-kvm.html
> >
> > But I do agree that it provide justifying value only for virtualization
> > users...
>
> Mostly for virtualization users indeed, but I'm aware of a few non
> virtualization users too:
>
> 1) CERN has been one of the early adopters of KSM and initially they
> were using KSM standalone (probably because not all hypervisors they
> had to deal with were KVM/linux based, while all guests were linux and
> in turn KSM capable). More info in the KSM paper page 2:
>
> http://www.kernel.org/doc/ols/2009/ols2009-pages-19-28.pdf
>
> However lately they're running KSM in combination with KVM too, and I'm
> not sure if they're still using it standalone. See the "KSM shared"
> blue area in slide 12 and the comparison with KSM on and off in slide
> 14.
>
> https://indico.fnal.gov/getFile.py/access?contribId=18&sessionId=4&resId=0&materialId=slides&confId=4986
>
> 2) all recent cyanogenmod in the performance menu in settings supports
> KSM out of the box. You can run it for a while and then shut it
> off.
>
> Not sure how good idea it is to leave it always on, but the only
> efficient cellphone/tablet powersaving design (i.e. the wakelocks +
> suspend to ram) still won't waste energy while the screen is off and
> the phone has suspended to ram, regardless of KSM on or off.
>
> KSM NUMA awareness however is not needed on the cellphone :).
Thanks for your sharing. Is there ksm benchmark? How to get it?
>
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From: Ric Mason <ric.masonn@gmail.com>
To: Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>
Cc: Izik Eidus <izik.eidus@ravellosystems.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
Petr Holasek <pholasek@redhat.com>,
Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
Anton Arapov <anton@redhat.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/11] ksm: NUMA trees and page migration
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 18:05:36 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1359590736.1557.0.camel@kernel> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130129165125.GA17671@redhat.com>
On Tue, 2013-01-29 at 17:51 +0100, Andrea Arcangeli wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 04:26:13AM +0200, Izik Eidus wrote:
> > On 01/29/2013 02:49 AM, Izik Eidus wrote:
> > > On 01/29/2013 01:54 AM, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > >> On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 17:53:10 -0800 (PST)
> > >> Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Here's a KSM series
> > >> Sanity check: do you have a feeling for how useful KSM is?
> > >> Performance/space improvements for typical (or atypical) workloads?
> > >> Are people using it? Successfully?
> >
> >
> > BTW, After thinking a bit about the word people, I wanted to see if
> > normal users of linux
> > that just download and install Linux (without using special
> > virtualization product) are able to use it.
> > So I google little bit for it, and found some nice results from users:
> > http://serverascode.com/2012/11/11/ksm-kvm.html
> >
> > But I do agree that it provide justifying value only for virtualization
> > users...
>
> Mostly for virtualization users indeed, but I'm aware of a few non
> virtualization users too:
>
> 1) CERN has been one of the early adopters of KSM and initially they
> were using KSM standalone (probably because not all hypervisors they
> had to deal with were KVM/linux based, while all guests were linux and
> in turn KSM capable). More info in the KSM paper page 2:
>
> http://www.kernel.org/doc/ols/2009/ols2009-pages-19-28.pdf
>
> However lately they're running KSM in combination with KVM too, and I'm
> not sure if they're still using it standalone. See the "KSM shared"
> blue area in slide 12 and the comparison with KSM on and off in slide
> 14.
>
> https://indico.fnal.gov/getFile.py/access?contribId=18&sessionId=4&resId=0&materialId=slides&confId=4986
>
> 2) all recent cyanogenmod in the performance menu in settings supports
> KSM out of the box. You can run it for a while and then shut it
> off.
>
> Not sure how good idea it is to leave it always on, but the only
> efficient cellphone/tablet powersaving design (i.e. the wakelocks +
> suspend to ram) still won't waste energy while the screen is off and
> the phone has suspended to ram, regardless of KSM on or off.
>
> KSM NUMA awareness however is not needed on the cellphone :).
Thanks for your sharing. Is there ksm benchmark? How to get it?
>
> --
> To unsubscribe, send a message with 'unsubscribe linux-mm' in
> the body to majordomo@kvack.org. For more info on Linux MM,
> see: http://www.linux-mm.org/ .
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-01-31 0:05 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 138+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-01-26 1:53 [PATCH 0/11] ksm: NUMA trees and page migration Hugh Dickins
2013-01-26 1:53 ` Hugh Dickins
2013-01-26 1:54 ` [PATCH 1/11] ksm: allow trees per NUMA node Hugh Dickins
2013-01-26 1:54 ` Hugh Dickins
2013-01-27 1:14 ` Simon Jeons
2013-01-27 1:14 ` Simon Jeons
2013-01-27 2:54 ` Hugh Dickins
2013-01-27 2:54 ` Hugh Dickins
2013-01-27 3:16 ` Simon Jeons
2013-01-27 3:16 ` Simon Jeons
2013-01-27 21:55 ` Hugh Dickins
2013-01-27 21:55 ` Hugh Dickins
2013-01-28 23:03 ` Andrew Morton
2013-01-28 23:03 ` Andrew Morton
2013-01-29 1:17 ` Hugh Dickins
2013-01-29 1:17 ` Hugh Dickins
2013-01-28 23:08 ` Andrew Morton
2013-01-28 23:08 ` Andrew Morton
2013-01-29 1:38 ` Hugh Dickins
2013-01-29 1:38 ` Hugh Dickins
2013-02-05 16:41 ` Mel Gorman
2013-02-05 16:41 ` Mel Gorman
2013-02-07 23:57 ` Hugh Dickins
2013-02-07 23:57 ` Hugh Dickins
2013-01-26 1:56 ` [PATCH 2/11] ksm: add sysfs ABI Documentation Hugh Dickins
2013-01-26 1:56 ` Hugh Dickins
2013-01-26 1:58 ` [PATCH 3/11] ksm: trivial tidyups Hugh Dickins
2013-01-26 1:58 ` Hugh Dickins
2013-01-28 23:11 ` Andrew Morton
2013-01-28 23:11 ` Andrew Morton
2013-01-29 1:44 ` Hugh Dickins
2013-01-29 1:44 ` Hugh Dickins
2013-01-26 1:59 ` [PATCH 4/11] ksm: reorganize ksm_check_stable_tree Hugh Dickins
2013-01-26 1:59 ` Hugh Dickins
2013-02-05 16:48 ` Mel Gorman
2013-02-05 16:48 ` Mel Gorman
2013-02-08 0:07 ` Hugh Dickins
2013-02-08 0:07 ` Hugh Dickins
2013-02-14 11:30 ` Mel Gorman
2013-02-14 11:30 ` Mel Gorman
2013-01-26 2:00 ` [PATCH 5/11] ksm: get_ksm_page locked Hugh Dickins
2013-01-26 2:00 ` Hugh Dickins
2013-01-27 2:36 ` Simon Jeons
2013-01-27 2:36 ` Simon Jeons
2013-01-27 22:08 ` Hugh Dickins
2013-01-27 22:08 ` Hugh Dickins
2013-01-28 0:36 ` Simon Jeons
2013-01-28 0:36 ` Simon Jeons
2013-01-28 3:35 ` Hugh Dickins
2013-01-28 3:35 ` Hugh Dickins
2013-01-27 2:48 ` Simon Jeons
2013-01-27 2:48 ` Simon Jeons
2013-01-27 22:10 ` Hugh Dickins
2013-01-27 22:10 ` Hugh Dickins
2013-02-05 17:18 ` Mel Gorman
2013-02-05 17:18 ` Mel Gorman
2013-02-08 0:33 ` Hugh Dickins
2013-02-08 0:33 ` Hugh Dickins
2013-02-14 11:34 ` Mel Gorman
2013-02-14 11:34 ` Mel Gorman
2013-01-26 2:01 ` [PATCH 6/11] ksm: remove old stable nodes more thoroughly Hugh Dickins
2013-01-26 2:01 ` Hugh Dickins
2013-01-27 4:55 ` Simon Jeons
2013-01-27 4:55 ` Simon Jeons
2013-01-27 23:05 ` Hugh Dickins
2013-01-27 23:05 ` Hugh Dickins
2013-01-28 1:42 ` Simon Jeons
2013-01-28 1:42 ` Simon Jeons
2013-01-28 4:14 ` Hugh Dickins
2013-01-28 4:14 ` Hugh Dickins
2013-01-28 2:12 ` Simon Jeons
2013-01-28 2:12 ` Simon Jeons
2013-01-28 4:19 ` Hugh Dickins
2013-01-28 4:19 ` Hugh Dickins
2013-01-28 6:36 ` Simon Jeons
2013-01-28 6:36 ` Simon Jeons
2013-01-28 23:44 ` Andrew Morton
2013-01-28 23:44 ` Andrew Morton
2013-01-29 2:03 ` Hugh Dickins
2013-01-29 2:03 ` Hugh Dickins
2013-02-05 17:55 ` Mel Gorman
2013-02-05 17:55 ` Mel Gorman
2013-02-08 19:33 ` Hugh Dickins
2013-02-08 19:33 ` Hugh Dickins
2013-02-14 11:58 ` Mel Gorman
2013-02-14 11:58 ` Mel Gorman
2013-02-14 22:19 ` Hugh Dickins
2013-02-14 22:19 ` Hugh Dickins
2013-01-26 2:03 ` [PATCH 7/11] ksm: make KSM page migration possible Hugh Dickins
2013-01-26 2:03 ` Hugh Dickins
2013-01-27 5:47 ` Simon Jeons
2013-01-27 5:47 ` Simon Jeons
2013-01-27 23:12 ` Hugh Dickins
2013-01-27 23:12 ` Hugh Dickins
2013-01-28 0:41 ` Simon Jeons
2013-01-28 0:41 ` Simon Jeons
2013-01-28 3:44 ` Hugh Dickins
2013-01-28 3:44 ` Hugh Dickins
2013-02-05 19:11 ` Mel Gorman
2013-02-05 19:11 ` Mel Gorman
2013-02-08 20:52 ` Hugh Dickins
2013-02-08 20:52 ` Hugh Dickins
2013-01-26 2:05 ` [PATCH 8/11] ksm: make !merge_across_nodes migration safe Hugh Dickins
2013-01-26 2:05 ` Hugh Dickins
2013-01-27 8:49 ` Simon Jeons
2013-01-27 8:49 ` Simon Jeons
2013-01-27 23:25 ` Hugh Dickins
2013-01-27 23:25 ` Hugh Dickins
2013-01-28 3:44 ` Simon Jeons
2013-01-28 3:44 ` Simon Jeons
2013-01-26 2:06 ` [PATCH 9/11] ksm: enable KSM page migration Hugh Dickins
2013-01-26 2:06 ` Hugh Dickins
2013-01-26 2:07 ` [PATCH 10/11] mm: remove offlining arg to migrate_pages Hugh Dickins
2013-01-26 2:07 ` Hugh Dickins
2013-01-26 2:10 ` [PATCH 11/11] ksm: stop hotremove lockdep warning Hugh Dickins
2013-01-26 2:10 ` Hugh Dickins
2013-01-27 6:23 ` Simon Jeons
2013-01-27 6:23 ` Simon Jeons
2013-01-27 23:35 ` Hugh Dickins
2013-01-27 23:35 ` Hugh Dickins
2013-02-08 18:45 ` Gerald Schaefer
2013-02-08 18:45 ` Gerald Schaefer
2013-02-11 22:13 ` Hugh Dickins
2013-02-11 22:13 ` Hugh Dickins
2013-01-28 23:54 ` [PATCH 0/11] ksm: NUMA trees and page migration Andrew Morton
2013-01-28 23:54 ` Andrew Morton
2013-01-29 0:49 ` Izik Eidus
2013-01-29 0:49 ` Izik Eidus
2013-01-29 2:26 ` Izik Eidus
2013-01-29 2:26 ` Izik Eidus
2013-01-29 16:51 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2013-01-29 16:51 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2013-01-31 0:05 ` Ric Mason [this message]
2013-01-31 0:05 ` Ric Mason
2013-01-29 1:07 ` Hugh Dickins
2013-01-29 1:07 ` Hugh Dickins
2013-01-29 10:45 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-01-29 10:45 ` Gleb Natapov
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