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From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: Andreas Mohr <andi@lisas.de>
Cc: linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org,
	Purcareata Bogdan <b43198@freescale.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] PPC: MPIC: necessary readback after EOI?
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2015 15:43:15 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1420641795.5830.31.camel@kernel.crashing.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150105174616.GA3159@rhlx01.hs-esslingen.de>

On Mon, 2015-01-05 at 18:46 +0100, Andreas Mohr wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> > I was curious why the mpic_cpu_read(MPIC_INFO(CPU_WHOAMI)) was there in
> > the first place and if it's still needed. If it's still required, I
> > guess a better approach is to eliminate the call only if the kernel is
> > running on the KVM guest side, where the MPIC is emulated and no longer
> > requires a readback.
> 
> "Why not?"
> 
> A mechanism being "emulated"/"virtual" or not
> may not necessarily be much of a distinction (if at all!).
> The readback might be required
> to properly fulfill all requirements
> of a full state change protocol specification,
> which might easily be the case for both RS(*) and virtual hardware.
> And especially for virtual hardware
> such a "readback" event
> might be an extremely important "end of transaction" marker
> which may often be needed for freeing of temporary resources etc.

In that case it was purely something we added after trial and error to
correct a problem, it's not specified as necessary. Basically it's about
making the store synchronous to the MPIC logic. It's definitely not
necessary on an emulated implementation.

> I'm talking out of my *ss without any MPIC specifics here
> (and especially not why the readback there actually is needed -
> if that doesn't happen to be the case for PCI Posting reasons or some such),
> but it's just intended as food for thought :)
> 
> *) Real Silicon (rather than RL - Real Life)
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Andreas Mohr
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From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: Andreas Mohr <andi@lisas.de>
Cc: Purcareata Bogdan <b43198@freescale.com>,
	linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] PPC: MPIC: necessary readback after EOI?
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2015 15:43:15 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1420641795.5830.31.camel@kernel.crashing.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150105174616.GA3159@rhlx01.hs-esslingen.de>

On Mon, 2015-01-05 at 18:46 +0100, Andreas Mohr wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> > I was curious why the mpic_cpu_read(MPIC_INFO(CPU_WHOAMI)) was there in
> > the first place and if it's still needed. If it's still required, I
> > guess a better approach is to eliminate the call only if the kernel is
> > running on the KVM guest side, where the MPIC is emulated and no longer
> > requires a readback.
> 
> "Why not?"
> 
> A mechanism being "emulated"/"virtual" or not
> may not necessarily be much of a distinction (if at all!).
> The readback might be required
> to properly fulfill all requirements
> of a full state change protocol specification,
> which might easily be the case for both RS(*) and virtual hardware.
> And especially for virtual hardware
> such a "readback" event
> might be an extremely important "end of transaction" marker
> which may often be needed for freeing of temporary resources etc.

In that case it was purely something we added after trial and error to
correct a problem, it's not specified as necessary. Basically it's about
making the store synchronous to the MPIC logic. It's definitely not
necessary on an emulated implementation.

> I'm talking out of my *ss without any MPIC specifics here
> (and especially not why the readback there actually is needed -
> if that doesn't happen to be the case for PCI Posting reasons or some such),
> but it's just intended as food for thought :)
> 
> *) Real Silicon (rather than RL - Real Life)
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Andreas Mohr
> --
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-01-07 14:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-01-05 14:14 [RFC] PPC: MPIC: necessary readback after EOI? Purcareata Bogdan
2015-01-05 14:14 ` Purcareata Bogdan
2015-01-05 17:46 ` Andreas Mohr
2015-01-05 17:46   ` Andreas Mohr
2015-01-05 18:10   ` Scott Wood
2015-01-05 18:10     ` Scott Wood
2015-01-05 18:43     ` Andreas Mohr
2015-01-05 18:43       ` Andreas Mohr
2015-01-07  2:56       ` Scott Wood
2015-01-07  2:56         ` Scott Wood
2015-01-07 14:44     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-01-07 14:44       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-01-07 17:04       ` Scott Wood
2015-01-07 17:04         ` Scott Wood
2015-01-08 19:17         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-01-08 19:17           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-01-07 14:43   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt [this message]
2015-01-07 14:43     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-01-07 14:40 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-01-08  0:49   ` Segher Boessenkool
2015-01-08  0:49     ` Segher Boessenkool

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