* iw in place of wireless-tools @ 2014-01-30 13:54 Ahsan, Noor 2014-01-31 19:01 ` Iorga, Cristian 0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Ahsan, Noor @ 2014-01-30 13:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: openembedded-core@lists.openembedded.org [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1135 bytes --] Hello, I read in couple of threads that iw is replacing wireless-tools in linux wireless world and people recommending replacing wireless-tools with iw in oe-core. I did not see it happening. Here I am starting this thread to discuss this so that we can make the decision and replace these two recipes with each other. Comments? Noor Noor Ahsan | Engineering Manager Mentor Embedded Linux & Hypervisor Mentor Embedded<http://www.mentor.com/embedded>(tm) |5-6-7-8th floors 105 B2 Gulberg III, Ali Tower MM Alam Road, Lahore P +92 42 36099196 | M +92 307 4448444 Nucleus<http://www.mentor.com/embedded-software/nucleus/>(r) | Linux<http://www.mentor.com/embedded-software/linux/>(r) | Android<http://www.mentor.com/embedded-software/android/>(tm) | Services<http://www.mentor.com/embedded-software/services/> | UI<http://www.mentor.com/embedded-software/inflexion/> | Multi-OS<http://www.mentor.com/embedded-software/multicore-multi-os> Android is a trademark of Google Inc. Use of this trademark is subject to Google Permissions. Linux is the registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in the U.S. and other countries. [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 4425 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: iw in place of wireless-tools 2014-01-30 13:54 iw in place of wireless-tools Ahsan, Noor @ 2014-01-31 19:01 ` Iorga, Cristian 2014-01-31 20:06 ` Nicolas Dechesne 0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Iorga, Cristian @ 2014-01-31 19:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Ahsan, Noor, openembedded-core@lists.openembedded.org [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2062 bytes --] Hello Noor, all, An analysis of the differences, improvements, maybe possible shortcomings of iw versus wireless-tools would be nice. For a start: http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Documentation/iw/replace-iwconfig Basically, this says that iw is simpler to use than wireless-tools various commands. It is unclear to me if iw functionality matches wireless-tools functionality or maybe surpasses it, maybe someone else has info on this? On my Ubuntu 13.10 dev machine, wireless-tools and iw are both installed by default (I might be wrong here, maybe I installed them some time ago by hand). Regards, Cristian Iorga YP Intel From: openembedded-core-bounces@lists.openembedded.org [mailto:openembedded-core-bounces@lists.openembedded.org] On Behalf Of Ahsan, Noor Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 3:55 PM To: openembedded-core@lists.openembedded.org Subject: [OE-core] iw in place of wireless-tools Hello, I read in couple of threads that iw is replacing wireless-tools in linux wireless world and people recommending replacing wireless-tools with iw in oe-core. I did not see it happening. Here I am starting this thread to discuss this so that we can make the decision and replace these two recipes with each other. Comments? Noor Noor Ahsan | Engineering Manager Mentor Embedded Linux & Hypervisor Mentor Embedded<http://www.mentor.com/embedded>(tm) |5-6-7-8th floors 105 B2 Gulberg III, Ali Tower MM Alam Road, Lahore P +92 42 36099196 | M +92 307 4448444 Nucleus<http://www.mentor.com/embedded-software/nucleus/>(r) | Linux<http://www.mentor.com/embedded-software/linux/>(r) | Android<http://www.mentor.com/embedded-software/android/>(tm) | Services<http://www.mentor.com/embedded-software/services/> | UI<http://www.mentor.com/embedded-software/inflexion/> | Multi-OS<http://www.mentor.com/embedded-software/multicore-multi-os> Android is a trademark of Google Inc. Use of this trademark is subject to Google Permissions. Linux is the registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in the U.S. and other countries. [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 6802 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: iw in place of wireless-tools 2014-01-31 19:01 ` Iorga, Cristian @ 2014-01-31 20:06 ` Nicolas Dechesne 2014-01-31 21:05 ` Chris Larson 0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Nicolas Dechesne @ 2014-01-31 20:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Iorga, Cristian; +Cc: openembedded-core@lists.openembedded.org On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 8:01 PM, Iorga, Cristian <cristian.iorga@intel.com> wrote: > On my Ubuntu 13.10 dev machine, wireless-tools and iw are both installed by > default (I might be wrong here, maybe I installed them some time ago by > hand). you are right, they are both on the default install, see http://releases.ubuntu.com/13.10/ubuntu-13.10-desktop-amd64.manifest ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: iw in place of wireless-tools 2014-01-31 20:06 ` Nicolas Dechesne @ 2014-01-31 21:05 ` Chris Larson 2015-08-18 15:53 ` Christopher Larson 0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Chris Larson @ 2014-01-31 21:05 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Nicolas Dechesne; +Cc: openembedded-core@lists.openembedded.org [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 836 bytes --] On Friday, January 31, 2014, Nicolas Dechesne <nicolas.dechesne@linaro.org> wrote: > On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 8:01 PM, Iorga, Cristian > <cristian.iorga@intel.com <javascript:;>> wrote: > > On my Ubuntu 13.10 dev machine, wireless-tools and iw are both installed > by > > default (I might be wrong here, maybe I installed them some time ago by > > hand). > > you are right, they are both on the default install, see > > http://releases.ubuntu.com/13.10/ubuntu-13.10-desktop-amd64.manifest For what its worth, I personally would love to see wireless-tools go away in favor of iw, much as ifconfig has gone to the wayside in favor of iputils. -Chris -- Christopher Larson clarson at kergoth dot com Founder - BitBake, OpenEmbedded, OpenZaurus Maintainer - Tslib Senior Software Engineer, Mentor Graphics [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 1284 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: iw in place of wireless-tools 2014-01-31 21:05 ` Chris Larson @ 2015-08-18 15:53 ` Christopher Larson 2015-08-18 16:00 ` Christopher Larson 0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Christopher Larson @ 2015-08-18 15:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Nicolas Dechesne; +Cc: openembedded-core@lists.openembedded.org [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2477 bytes --] On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 2:05 PM, Chris Larson <clarson@kergoth.com> wrote: > On Friday, January 31, 2014, Nicolas Dechesne <nicolas.dechesne@linaro.org> > wrote: > >> On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 8:01 PM, Iorga, Cristian >> <cristian.iorga@intel.com> wrote: >> > On my Ubuntu 13.10 dev machine, wireless-tools and iw are both >> installed by >> > default (I might be wrong here, maybe I installed them some time ago by >> > hand). >> >> you are right, they are both on the default install, see >> >> http://releases.ubuntu.com/13.10/ubuntu-13.10-desktop-amd64.manifest > > > For what its worth, I personally would love to see wireless-tools go away > in favor of iw, much as ifconfig has gone to the wayside in favor of > iputils. > Bringing this back up again, as I think we really need to at the *very* least pull in iw from meta-oe into oe-core, and adjust packagegroup-base (worst case, with a VIRTUAL-RUNTIME), and better yet also drop wireless-tools / move it to meta-networking. From the debian /usr/share/doc/iw/README.Debian: Why is wireless-tools being replaced? ===================================== A complete summary of technical reasons for the abandonment of Linux Wireless Extensions API is documented on the wireless.kernel.org wiki page for WEXT [3]. In brief, WEXT uses ioctl's as the kernel<->userspace communication mechanism, but some developers wish to have a more structured transport mechanism, which cfg80211 and nl80211 provide, to allow them to address old nagging problems with the current wireless device configuration implementation, and give them more freedom to enhance the process of wireless configuration [4]. WEXT is in deep maintenance mode, cfg80211 and nl80211 are the communication transport mechanism of the future. [3] http://wireless.kernel.org/en/developers/Documentation/Wireless-Extensions [4] which is one of the areas which, in my opinion, has always been difficult for new adopters on Linux, especially on the desktop. Also: https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/users/Documentation/iw indicates "The old tool iwconfing, which uses Wireless Extensions interface, is deprecated and it's strongly recommended to switch to iw and nl80211." -- Christopher Larson clarson at kergoth dot com Founder - BitBake, OpenEmbedded, OpenZaurus Maintainer - Tslib Senior Software Engineer, Mentor Graphics [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 4210 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: iw in place of wireless-tools 2015-08-18 15:53 ` Christopher Larson @ 2015-08-18 16:00 ` Christopher Larson 2015-08-18 16:02 ` Philip Balister ` (3 more replies) 0 siblings, 4 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Christopher Larson @ 2015-08-18 16:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Nicolas Dechesne; +Cc: openembedded-core@lists.openembedded.org [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 689 bytes --] On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Christopher Larson <clarson@kergoth.com> wrote: > Bringing this back up again, as I think we really need to at the *very* > least pull in iw from meta-oe into oe-core, and adjust packagegroup-base > (worst case, with a VIRTUAL-RUNTIME), and better yet also drop > wireless-tools / move it to meta-networking. Worst case, we could keep both in VIRTUAL-RUNTIME for compatibility, as a temporary measure, but I think we need to get iw into oe-core and into the base images for sure. -- Christopher Larson clarson at kergoth dot com Founder - BitBake, OpenEmbedded, OpenZaurus Maintainer - Tslib Senior Software Engineer, Mentor Graphics [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 1006 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: iw in place of wireless-tools 2015-08-18 16:00 ` Christopher Larson @ 2015-08-18 16:02 ` Philip Balister 2015-08-18 16:03 ` Khem Raj ` (2 subsequent siblings) 3 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Philip Balister @ 2015-08-18 16:02 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Christopher Larson, Nicolas Dechesne Cc: openembedded-core@lists.openembedded.org On 08/18/2015 06:00 PM, Christopher Larson wrote: > On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Christopher Larson <clarson@kergoth.com> > wrote: > >> Bringing this back up again, as I think we really need to at the *very* >> least pull in iw from meta-oe into oe-core, and adjust packagegroup-base >> (worst case, with a VIRTUAL-RUNTIME), and better yet also drop >> wireless-tools / move it to meta-networking. > > > Worst case, we could keep both in VIRTUAL-RUNTIME for compatibility, as a > temporary measure, but I think we need to get iw into oe-core and into the > base images for sure. I agree completely. Philip > > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: iw in place of wireless-tools 2015-08-18 16:00 ` Christopher Larson 2015-08-18 16:02 ` Philip Balister @ 2015-08-18 16:03 ` Khem Raj 2015-08-18 20:45 ` Otavio Salvador 2015-08-18 16:36 ` Richard Purdie 2015-08-19 7:10 ` Anders Darander 3 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Khem Raj @ 2015-08-18 16:03 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Christopher Larson; +Cc: openembedded-core@lists.openembedded.org [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1043 bytes --] > On Aug 18, 2015, at 9:00 AM, Christopher Larson <clarson@kergoth.com> wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Christopher Larson <clarson@kergoth.com <mailto:clarson@kergoth.com>> wrote: > Bringing this back up again, as I think we really need to at the *very* least pull in iw from meta-oe into oe-core, and adjust packagegroup-base (worst case, with a VIRTUAL-RUNTIME), and better yet also drop wireless-tools / move it to meta-networking. > > Worst case, we could keep both in VIRTUAL-RUNTIME for compatibility, as a temporary measure, but I think we need to get iw into oe-core and into the base images for sure. yes I think its a good idea > -- > Christopher Larson > clarson at kergoth dot com > Founder - BitBake, OpenEmbedded, OpenZaurus > Maintainer - Tslib > Senior Software Engineer, Mentor Graphics > -- > _______________________________________________ > Openembedded-core mailing list > Openembedded-core@lists.openembedded.org > http://lists.openembedded.org/mailman/listinfo/openembedded-core [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 2133 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 211 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: iw in place of wireless-tools 2015-08-18 16:03 ` Khem Raj @ 2015-08-18 20:45 ` Otavio Salvador 0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Otavio Salvador @ 2015-08-18 20:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Khem Raj; +Cc: Christopher Larson, openembedded-core@lists.openembedded.org On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 1:03 PM, Khem Raj <raj.khem@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Aug 18, 2015, at 9:00 AM, Christopher Larson <clarson@kergoth.com> wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Christopher Larson <clarson@kergoth.com> > wrote: >> >> Bringing this back up again, as I think we really need to at the *very* >> least pull in iw from meta-oe into oe-core, and adjust packagegroup-base >> (worst case, with a VIRTUAL-RUNTIME), and better yet also drop >> wireless-tools / move it to meta-networking. > > > Worst case, we could keep both in VIRTUAL-RUNTIME for compatibility, as a > temporary measure, but I think we need to get iw into oe-core and into the > base images for sure. > > > yes I think its a good idea > Agreed as well. -- Otavio Salvador O.S. Systems http://www.ossystems.com.br http://code.ossystems.com.br Mobile: +55 (53) 9981-7854 Mobile: +1 (347) 903-9750 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: iw in place of wireless-tools 2015-08-18 16:00 ` Christopher Larson 2015-08-18 16:02 ` Philip Balister 2015-08-18 16:03 ` Khem Raj @ 2015-08-18 16:36 ` Richard Purdie 2015-08-19 7:10 ` Anders Darander 3 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Richard Purdie @ 2015-08-18 16:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Christopher Larson; +Cc: openembedded-core@lists.openembedded.org On Tue, 2015-08-18 at 09:00 -0700, Christopher Larson wrote: > On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Christopher Larson > <clarson@kergoth.com> wrote: > Bringing this back up again, as I think we really need to at > the *very* least pull in iw from meta-oe into oe-core, and > adjust packagegroup-base (worst case, with a VIRTUAL-RUNTIME), > and better yet also drop wireless-tools / move it to > meta-networking. > > Worst case, we could keep both in VIRTUAL-RUNTIME for compatibility, > as a temporary measure, but I think we need to get iw into oe-core and > into the base images for sure. Agreed, patches would be welcome! Cheers, Richard ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: iw in place of wireless-tools 2015-08-18 16:00 ` Christopher Larson ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 2015-08-18 16:36 ` Richard Purdie @ 2015-08-19 7:10 ` Anders Darander 2015-08-19 11:25 ` Burton, Ross 3 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Anders Darander @ 2015-08-19 7:10 UTC (permalink / raw) To: openembedded-core * Christopher Larson <clarson@kergoth.com> [150818 18:00]: > On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Christopher Larson <clarson@kergoth.com> > wrote: > > Bringing this back up again, as I think we really need to at the *very* > > least pull in iw from meta-oe into oe-core, and adjust packagegroup-base > > (worst case, with a VIRTUAL-RUNTIME), and better yet also drop > > wireless-tools / move it to meta-networking. > Worst case, we could keep both in VIRTUAL-RUNTIME for compatibility, as a > temporary measure, but I think we need to get iw into oe-core and into the > base images for sure. Yes, we should get iw into oe-core. So, I agree completely with this. /Anders -- Anders Darander ChargeStorm AB / eStorm AB ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: iw in place of wireless-tools 2015-08-19 7:10 ` Anders Darander @ 2015-08-19 11:25 ` Burton, Ross 2015-08-19 11:35 ` Otavio Salvador 0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Burton, Ross @ 2015-08-19 11:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: OE-core [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1150 bytes --] And now for the elephant in the room: is anyone going to work on this? :) Ross On 19 August 2015 at 08:10, Anders Darander <anders@chargestorm.se> wrote: > * Christopher Larson <clarson@kergoth.com> [150818 18:00]: > > On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Christopher Larson <clarson@kergoth.com > > > > wrote: > > > Bringing this back up again, as I think we really need to at the *very* > > > least pull in iw from meta-oe into oe-core, and adjust > packagegroup-base > > > (worst case, with a VIRTUAL-RUNTIME), and better yet also drop > > > wireless-tools / move it to meta-networking. > > > Worst case, we could keep both in VIRTUAL-RUNTIME for compatibility, as a > > temporary measure, but I think we need to get iw into oe-core and into > the > > base images for sure. > > Yes, we should get iw into oe-core. So, I agree completely with this. > > /Anders > > -- > Anders Darander > ChargeStorm AB / eStorm AB > -- > _______________________________________________ > Openembedded-core mailing list > Openembedded-core@lists.openembedded.org > http://lists.openembedded.org/mailman/listinfo/openembedded-core > [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 1937 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: iw in place of wireless-tools 2015-08-19 11:25 ` Burton, Ross @ 2015-08-19 11:35 ` Otavio Salvador 2015-08-19 11:56 ` Burton, Ross 0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Otavio Salvador @ 2015-08-19 11:35 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Ross Burton; +Cc: Patches and discussions about the oe-core layer [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 235 bytes --] Em 19/08/2015 12:26, "Burton, Ross" <ross.burton@intel.com> escreveu: > > And now for the elephant in the room: is anyone going to work on this? :) I can ask our people to work on this. Is there a bug number to assign for me? [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 367 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: iw in place of wireless-tools 2015-08-19 11:35 ` Otavio Salvador @ 2015-08-19 11:56 ` Burton, Ross 2015-08-19 17:43 ` Christopher Larson 0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Burton, Ross @ 2015-08-19 11:56 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Otavio Salvador; +Cc: Patches and discussions about the oe-core layer [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 524 bytes --] On 19 August 2015 at 12:35, Otavio Salvador < otavio.salvador@ossystems.com.br> wrote: > Em 19/08/2015 12:26, "Burton, Ross" <ross.burton@intel.com> escreveu: > > > > And now for the elephant in the room: is anyone going to work on this? :) > > I can ask our people to work on this. > > Is there a bug number to assign for me? > Not as far as I'm aware. Note that M3 cut-off is fairly soon (August 23rd, technically) and this would count as a Feature so switching to iw would be out of scope for M4. Ross [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 1035 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: iw in place of wireless-tools 2015-08-19 11:56 ` Burton, Ross @ 2015-08-19 17:43 ` Christopher Larson 0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Christopher Larson @ 2015-08-19 17:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Burton, Ross Cc: Otavio Salvador, Patches and discussions about the oe-core layer [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1125 bytes --] On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:56 AM, Burton, Ross <ross.burton@intel.com> wrote: > On 19 August 2015 at 12:35, Otavio Salvador < > otavio.salvador@ossystems.com.br> wrote: > >> Em 19/08/2015 12:26, "Burton, Ross" <ross.burton@intel.com> escreveu: >> > >> > And now for the elephant in the room: is anyone going to work on this? >> :) >> >> I can ask our people to work on this. >> >> Is there a bug number to assign for me? >> > Not as far as I'm aware. Note that M3 cut-off is fairly soon (August 23rd, > technically) and this would count as a Feature so switching to iw would be > out of scope for M4. While we're at it, we should enable ip/ss/etc in busybox and decide whether to keep netstat/ifconfig/route enabled there alongside them (I'd vote no, personally, but don't feel very strongly about it), and drop net-tools from full tools packagegroups in favor of iproute2. If nobody else gets to it, I might be able to find the time. -- Christopher Larson clarson at kergoth dot com Founder - BitBake, OpenEmbedded, OpenZaurus Maintainer - Tslib Senior Software Engineer, Mentor Graphics [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 1927 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
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