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From: kanoj@google.engr.sgi.com (Kanoj Sarcar)
To: "Stephen C. Tweedie" <sct@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: filecache/swapcache questions
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 10:36:37 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <199906211736.KAA17592@google.engr.sgi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <14190.28416.483360.862142@dukat.scot.redhat.com> from "Stephen C. Tweedie" at Jun 21, 99 05:57:36 pm

> 
> Hi,
> 
> On Mon, 21 Jun 1999 09:46:19 -0700 (PDT), kanoj@google.engr.sgi.com
> (Kanoj Sarcar) said:
> 
> > I don't agree with you about swapoff needing the mmap_sem. In my
> > thinking, mmap_sem is needed to preserve the vma list, *if* you 
> > go to sleep while scanning the list. Updates to the vma fields/
> > chain are protected by kernel_lock and mmap_sem. 
> 
> No.  mmap_sem protects both the vma list and the page tables.  Page
> faults hold the mmap semaphore both to protect the vma list and to
> protect against concurrent pagins to the same page.  
> 
> The swapper is currently exempt from the mmap_sem, so the paging code
> needs to check whether the current pte has disappeared if it ever
> blocks, but it assumes that we never have concurrent pagein occurring
> (think threads).  swapoff currently breaks that assumption.
>

But doesn't my previous logic work in this case too? Namely
that kernel_lock is held when any code looks at or changes
a pte, so if swapoff holds the kernel_lock and never goes to 
sleep, things should work?

Maybe if you can jot down a quick scenario where a problem occurs
when swapoff does not take mmap_sem, it would be easier for me
to spot which concurrency issue I am missing ...

Thanks.

Kanoj
kanoj@engr.sgi.com
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  reply	other threads:[~1999-06-21 17:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1999-06-21  5:29 filecache/swapcache questions Kanoj Sarcar
1999-06-21 11:25 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1999-06-21 16:46   ` Kanoj Sarcar
1999-06-21 16:57     ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1999-06-21 17:36       ` Kanoj Sarcar [this message]
1999-06-21 17:49         ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1999-06-21 18:46           ` Kanoj Sarcar
1999-06-21 23:44             ` Kanoj Sarcar
1999-06-24 22:23               ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-06-24 23:55                 ` Kanoj Sarcar
1999-06-25  0:26                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-06-28  1:48                     ` filecache/swapcache questions [RFC] [RFT] [PATCH] kanoj-mm12-2.3.8 Fix swapoff races Kanoj Sarcar
1999-06-28 10:35                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-06-28 17:11                         ` filecache/swapcache questions [RFC] [RFT] [PATCH] kanoj-mm12-2.3.8 Kanoj Sarcar
1999-06-28 16:32                       ` filecache/swapcache questions [RFC] [RFT] [PATCH] kanoj-mm12-2.3.8 Fix swapoff races Stephen C. Tweedie
1999-06-28 17:25                         ` Kanoj Sarcar
1999-06-28 20:40                           ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1999-06-28 21:11                             ` Kanoj Sarcar
1999-06-28 22:12                               ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1999-06-28 23:43                                 ` Kanoj Sarcar
1999-06-29 11:44                                   ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1999-06-29 22:01                                     ` Kanoj Sarcar
1999-06-30 17:28                                       ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1999-06-30 18:05                                         ` Kanoj Sarcar
1999-06-28 19:39                       ` Chuck Lever
1999-06-28 19:55                         ` filecache/swapcache questions [RFC] [RFT] [PATCH] kanoj-mm12-2.3.8 Kanoj Sarcar
1999-06-28 20:33                           ` Chuck Lever
1999-06-28 20:51                             ` Kanoj Sarcar
1999-06-28 21:32                               ` Chuck Lever
1999-06-28 21:38                                 ` Kanoj Sarcar
1999-06-28 21:50                                   ` Chuck Lever
1999-06-28 22:15                                     ` Kanoj Sarcar
1999-06-29 11:23                                       ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1999-06-29 17:36                                         ` Kanoj Sarcar
1999-06-28 22:22                                   ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1999-06-28 22:21                                 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1999-06-28 22:57                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-06-29  2:13                                     ` Chuck Lever
1999-06-29 12:01                                       ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1999-06-29 12:32                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-06-30 15:59                                           ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1999-06-29  1:00                                   ` Chuck Lever
1999-06-28 22:08                               ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1999-06-28 22:59                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-06-29  0:53                                 ` Chuck Lever
1999-06-29 11:14                                   ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1999-06-28 22:09                           ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1999-06-28 20:45                         ` filecache/swapcache questions [RFC] [RFT] [PATCH] kanoj-mm12-2.3.8 Fix swapoff races Stephen C. Tweedie
1999-06-28 21:14                           ` Chuck Lever
1999-06-28 21:25                             ` filecache/swapcache questions [RFC] [RFT] [PATCH] kanoj-mm12-2.3.8 Kanoj Sarcar
1999-06-28 22:15                             ` filecache/swapcache questions [RFC] [RFT] [PATCH] kanoj-mm12-2.3.8 Fix swapoff races Stephen C. Tweedie
1999-06-28 22:48                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-06-29  1:29                               ` Chuck Lever
1999-06-29 11:58                                 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1999-06-29 12:09                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-06-29 15:27                                   ` Chuck Lever
1999-06-29 11:55                               ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1999-06-29 20:08                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-06-28 22:36             ` filecache/swapcache questions Stephen C. Tweedie
1999-06-28 23:24               ` Kanoj Sarcar
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1999-06-15  7:16 Kanoj Sarcar
1999-06-15  7:32 ` Rik van Riel
1999-06-15 15:51   ` Kanoj Sarcar
1999-06-15 20:24     ` Rik van Riel
1999-06-15 21:02       ` Kanoj Sarcar
1999-06-16 20:37     ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-06-17 23:33   ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1999-06-18  0:20     ` Kanoj Sarcar
1999-06-18 17:00       ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1999-06-18 17:03         ` Kanoj Sarcar

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