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From: barryn@pobox.com (Barry K. Nathan)
To: zlatko.calusic@iskon.hr
Cc: torvalds@transmeta.com (Linus Torvalds),
	axboe@suse.de (Jens Axboe),
	marcelo@conectiva.com.br (Marcelo Tosatti),
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org (lkml)
Subject: Re: xmm2 - monitor Linux MM active/inactive lists graphically
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 11:13:28 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20011028191328.CCC828A6EA@pobox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87k7xfk6zd.fsf@atlas.iskon.hr> from "Zlatko Calusic" at Oct 28, 2001 06:30:14 PM

> Unfortunately, things didn't change on my first disk (IBM 7200rpm
> @home). I'm still getting low numbers, check the vmstat output at the
> end of the email.
> 
> But, now I found something interesting, other two disk which are on
> the standard IDE controller work correctly (writing is at 17-22
> MB/sec). The disk which doesn't work well is on the HPT366 interface,
> so that may be our culprit. Now I got the idea to check patches
> retrogradely to see where it started behaving poorely.
> 
> Also, one more thing, I'm pretty sure that under strange circumstances
> (specific alignment of stars) it behaves well (with appropriate
> writing speed). I just haven't yet pinpointed what needs to be done to
> get to that point.

I didn't read the entire thread, so this is a bit of a stab in the dark,
but:

This really reminds me of a problem I once had with a hard drive of
mine. It would usually go at 15-20MB/sec, but sometimes (under both
Linux and Windows) would slow down to maybe 350KB/sec. The slowdown, or
lack thereof, did seem to depend on the alignment of the stars. I lived
with it for a number of months, then started getting intermittent I/O
errors as well, as if the drive had bad sectors on disk.

The problem turned out to be insufficient ventilation for the controller
board on the bottom of the drive -- it was in the lowest 3.5" drive bay
in my case, so the bottom of the drive was snuggled next to a piece of
metal with ventilation holes. The holes were rather large (maybe 0.5"
diameter) -- and so were the areas without holes. Guess where one of the
drive's controller chips happened to be positioned, relative to the
holes? :( Moving the drive up a bit in the case, so as to allow 0.5"-1"
of space for air beneath the drive, fixed the problem (both the slowdown
and the I/O errors).

I don't know if this is your problem, but I'm mentioning it just in
case it is...

-Barry K. Nathan <barryn@pobox.com>

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From: barryn@pobox.com (Barry K. Nathan)
To: zlatko.calusic@iskon.hr
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@suse.de>,
	Marcelo Tosatti <marcelo@conectiva.com.br>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: xmm2 - monitor Linux MM active/inactive lists graphically
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 11:13:28 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20011028191328.CCC828A6EA@pobox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87k7xfk6zd.fsf@atlas.iskon.hr> from "Zlatko Calusic" at Oct 28, 2001 06:30:14 PM

> Unfortunately, things didn't change on my first disk (IBM 7200rpm
> @home). I'm still getting low numbers, check the vmstat output at the
> end of the email.
> 
> But, now I found something interesting, other two disk which are on
> the standard IDE controller work correctly (writing is at 17-22
> MB/sec). The disk which doesn't work well is on the HPT366 interface,
> so that may be our culprit. Now I got the idea to check patches
> retrogradely to see where it started behaving poorely.
> 
> Also, one more thing, I'm pretty sure that under strange circumstances
> (specific alignment of stars) it behaves well (with appropriate
> writing speed). I just haven't yet pinpointed what needs to be done to
> get to that point.

I didn't read the entire thread, so this is a bit of a stab in the dark,
but:

This really reminds me of a problem I once had with a hard drive of
mine. It would usually go at 15-20MB/sec, but sometimes (under both
Linux and Windows) would slow down to maybe 350KB/sec. The slowdown, or
lack thereof, did seem to depend on the alignment of the stars. I lived
with it for a number of months, then started getting intermittent I/O
errors as well, as if the drive had bad sectors on disk.

The problem turned out to be insufficient ventilation for the controller
board on the bottom of the drive -- it was in the lowest 3.5" drive bay
in my case, so the bottom of the drive was snuggled next to a piece of
metal with ventilation holes. The holes were rather large (maybe 0.5"
diameter) -- and so were the areas without holes. Guess where one of the
drive's controller chips happened to be positioned, relative to the
holes? :( Moving the drive up a bit in the case, so as to allow 0.5"-1"
of space for air beneath the drive, fixed the problem (both the slowdown
and the I/O errors).

I don't know if this is your problem, but I'm mentioning it just in
case it is...

-Barry K. Nathan <barryn@pobox.com>

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-10-28 19:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-10-24 10:42 xmm2 - monitor Linux MM active/inactive lists graphically Zlatko Calusic
2001-10-24 10:42 ` Zlatko Calusic
2001-10-24 14:26 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2001-10-24 14:26   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2001-10-25  0:25   ` Zlatko Calusic
2001-10-25  0:25     ` Zlatko Calusic
2001-10-25  1:50     ` Simon Kirby
2001-10-25  4:19     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-25  4:19       ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-25  4:57       ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-25  4:57         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-25 12:48         ` Zlatko Calusic
2001-10-25 12:48           ` Zlatko Calusic
2001-10-25 16:31           ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-25 16:31             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-25 17:33             ` Jens Axboe
2001-10-25 17:33               ` Jens Axboe
2001-10-26  9:45             ` Zlatko Calusic
2001-10-26  9:45               ` Zlatko Calusic
2001-10-26 10:08             ` Zlatko Calusic
2001-10-26 10:08               ` Zlatko Calusic
2001-10-26 14:39               ` Jens Axboe
2001-10-26 14:39                 ` Jens Axboe
2001-10-26 14:57                 ` Zlatko Calusic
2001-10-26 14:57                   ` Zlatko Calusic
2001-10-26 15:01                   ` Jens Axboe
2001-10-26 15:01                     ` Jens Axboe
2001-10-26 16:04                   ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-26 16:04                     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-26 16:57                   ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-26 16:57                     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-26 17:19                     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-26 17:19                       ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-28 17:30                       ` Zlatko Calusic
2001-10-28 17:30                         ` Zlatko Calusic
2001-10-28 17:34                         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-28 17:34                           ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-28 17:48                           ` Alan Cox
2001-10-28 17:48                             ` Alan Cox
2001-10-28 17:59                             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-28 17:59                               ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-28 18:22                               ` Alan Cox
2001-10-28 18:22                                 ` Alan Cox
2001-10-28 18:46                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-28 18:46                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-28 19:29                                   ` Alan Cox
2001-10-28 19:29                                     ` Alan Cox
2001-10-28 22:04                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-28 18:56                               ` Andrew Morton
2001-10-28 18:56                                 ` Andrew Morton
2001-10-30  8:56                               ` Jens Axboe
2001-10-30  8:56                                 ` Jens Axboe
2001-10-30  9:26                                 ` Zlatko Calusic
2001-10-30 19:07                                   ` Josh McKinney
2001-10-28 19:13                         ` Barry K. Nathan [this message]
2001-10-28 19:13                           ` Barry K. Nathan
2001-10-28 21:42                           ` Jonathan Morton
2001-10-28 21:42                             ` Jonathan Morton
2001-11-02  5:52                         ` Zlatko's I/O slowdown status Andrea Arcangeli
2001-11-02  5:52                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-11-02 20:14                           ` Zlatko Calusic
2001-11-02 20:14                             ` Zlatko Calusic
2001-11-02 20:16                             ` Jeffrey W. Baker
2001-11-02 20:36                               ` John Alvord
2001-11-02 21:16                               ` Zlatko Calusic
2001-11-02 20:26                             ` Rik van Riel
2001-11-02 21:22                               ` Zlatko Calusic
2001-11-02 20:57                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-11-02 20:57                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-11-02 23:23                             ` Simon Kirby
2001-11-02 23:23                               ` Simon Kirby
2001-11-02 23:37                               ` Miquel van Smoorenburg
2001-10-27 13:14               ` xmm2 - monitor Linux MM active/inactive lists graphically Giuliano Pochini
2001-10-27 13:14                 ` Giuliano Pochini
2001-10-28  5:05                 ` Mike Fedyk
2001-10-28  5:05                   ` Mike Fedyk
2001-10-25  9:07       ` Zlatko Calusic
2001-10-25  9:07         ` Zlatko Calusic

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