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From: "H . J . Lu" <hjl@lucon.org>
To: Ulrich Drepper <drepper@redhat.com>
Cc: GNU libc hacker <libc-hacker@sources.redhat.com>, linux-mips@oss.sgi.com
Subject: Re: thread-ready ABIs
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 10:19:08 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020118101908.C23887@lucon.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m3elkoa5dw.fsf@myware.mynet>; from drepper@redhat.com on Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 04:07:23PM -0800

On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 04:07:23PM -0800, Ulrich Drepper wrote:
> The time is near when we (well, I) well start a drastic move toward
> generally using thread registers.  Even in non-threaded code.
> 
> This means that unless all architectures get thread registers (or
> equivalent things like Alpha's special code) we'll have a two class
> society of platforms where all code written for the platforms without
> thread register can be run on the other systems, but not vice versa.
> 
> >From what I see today we have thread registers only on Alpha, x86,
> IA-64, SH, and x86_64.  SPARC shouldn't be too much of a problem.  Sun
> is using %g6 or %g7 (forgot which one) and since they define the ABI
> no big complications are expected.
> 
> Now, what is about the rest?  I assume cris isn't much of a problem
> since it's a purely embedded machine.
> 
> 
> Arm: don't know whether this should fall in the same category.
> Philip?
> 
> 
> m68k: Well, maybe it's time to retire these machines.  But on the
> other hand, there are those useless address registers.  Andreas, Jes?
> 
> 
> PPC (32-bit) is known to be a problem.  I've seen several proposals as
> to what register to use but haven't seen a final decision.  Problems
> with the different PPC implementations are probably hindering this.
> Geoff, could you please make a decision?  I hope the PPC64 ABI already
> allocated a thread register.
> 
> 
> S390: I have no idea.  Martin, please comment and make a decision.
> 
> 
> MIPS: Who feels responsible?  Andreas, HJ?
> 

I don't see there are any registers we can use without breaking ABI.
On the other hand, can we change the mips kernel to save k0 or k1 for
user space?

> 
> PA: no idea.  HP has no 32-bit ELF so.  But they have 64-bit ELF and
> it definitely has a thread register.
> 
> 
> 
> Please consider this a high priority task now.  I've been warning
> about this for a long time.  Jakub is working on some code and once
> this is ready for me to use I'll make lots of changes to ld.so and the
> locale handling and from that point on we have the two classes of
> architectures.
> 
> Oh, this now also concerns Hurd.  So, Roland, how far is using LDTs on
> Hurd/x86?
> 


H.J.

       reply	other threads:[~2002-01-18 19:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <m3elkoa5dw.fsf@myware.mynet>
2002-01-18 18:19 ` H . J . Lu [this message]
2002-01-18 18:31   ` thread-ready ABIs Ulrich Drepper
2002-01-18 19:08     ` H . J . Lu
2002-01-18 19:20       ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-01-19 12:14         ` Dominic Sweetman
2002-01-19 12:14           ` Dominic Sweetman
2002-01-20  0:14     ` Ralf Baechle
2002-01-18 20:03   ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2002-01-18 20:20     ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-01-18 20:50       ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2002-01-18 21:02         ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-01-18 21:35           ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2002-01-18 21:44             ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-01-18 22:17               ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2002-01-18 21:23   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-01-19  0:35   ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-19  0:35     ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-19  4:11     ` H . J . Lu
2002-01-19 12:27       ` Dominic Sweetman
2002-01-19 19:42         ` H . J . Lu
2002-01-21 13:27           ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2002-01-19 22:21         ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-19 22:21           ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-20 10:38       ` Machida Hiroyuki
2002-01-20 11:58         ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-20 11:58           ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-20 13:16           ` Machida Hiroyuki
2002-01-22  6:27             ` patches for test-and-set without ll/sc (Re: thread-ready ABIs) Machida Hiroyuki
2002-01-22  6:37               ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-01-22  6:46                 ` Machida Hiroyuki
2002-01-22  6:56                   ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-01-24  9:56                 ` Andreas Jaeger
2002-01-24  9:56                   ` Andreas Jaeger
2002-01-20 19:19           ` thread-ready ABIs H . J . Lu
2002-01-21  9:39             ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-21  9:39               ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-21 13:56               ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2002-01-21 18:24                 ` H . J . Lu
2002-01-21 18:36                   ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-01-21 18:52                     ` H . J . Lu
2002-01-21 18:58                       ` H . J . Lu
2002-01-21 18:59                       ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-01-21 19:05                         ` H . J . Lu
2002-01-21 19:09                           ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-01-21 19:18                             ` H . J . Lu
2002-01-21 21:04                         ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-21 21:04                           ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-21 19:30                       ` Geoff Keating
2002-01-21 21:07                       ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-01-21 13:43             ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2002-01-20  0:24     ` Ralf Baechle
2002-01-21 23:22       ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-01-21 23:57         ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-21 23:57           ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-22  0:16           ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-01-22  0:16             ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-01-22  9:37             ` Dominic Sweetman
2002-01-22  9:37               ` Dominic Sweetman
2002-01-22 17:41               ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-01-22 17:41                 ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-01-22  9:59           ` Dominic Sweetman
2002-01-22  9:59             ` Dominic Sweetman
2002-01-22 12:18             ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-22 12:18               ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-22 15:21               ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-01-22 15:44                 ` Dominic Sweetman
2002-01-22 21:44                   ` Tommy S. Christensen
2002-01-22 21:53                     ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-22 21:53                       ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-22 23:13                       ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-22 23:13                         ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-23  1:12                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2002-01-22 16:05                 ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-22 16:05                   ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-22 16:34                   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-01-22 17:08                     ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-22 17:08                       ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-22 17:13                       ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-01-22 17:34                         ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-22 17:34                           ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-22 17:37                           ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-01-22 17:47                             ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-22 17:47                               ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-22 17:57                               ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-01-22 18:18                                 ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-22 18:18                                   ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-27 20:24                         ` Alan Cox
2002-01-27 20:24                           ` Alan Cox
2002-01-28  8:50                           ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-28  8:50                             ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-22  1:39   ` Richard Henderson
2002-01-18 21:24 Justin Carlson
2002-01-18 21:31 ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-01-18 21:42 ` Maciej W. Rozycki

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