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From: "Tommy S. Christensen" <tommy.christensen@eicon.com>
To: Dominic Sweetman <dom@algor.co.uk>
Cc: Daniel Jacobowitz <dan@debian.org>,
	"Kevin D. Kissell" <kevink@mips.com>,
	Ralf Baechle <ralf@oss.sgi.com>,
	Ulrich Drepper <drepper@redhat.com>, Mike Uhler <uhler@mips.com>,
	"MIPS/Linux List (SGI)" <linux-mips@oss.sgi.com>,
	"H . J . Lu" <hjl@lucon.org>
Subject: Re: thread-ready ABIs
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 22:44:04 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3C4DDD24.4A0F24DE@eicon.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 15437.35062.770932.705864@gladsmuir.algor.co.uk

Dominic Sweetman wrote:
> 
> > In any case, that's not the real problem.  Linux user threads do not
> > have true separate stacks.  They share their _entire_ address space;
> > the stacks are all bounded (default is 2MB) and grouped together at
> > the top of the available memory region.
> 
> Quite.
> 
> A comment by Kevin reminded me of the real constraint (which the
> experts probably take for granted): this system is supposed to work on
> shared-memory multiprocessors and multithreaded CPUs.
> 
> In both cases two or more threads within an address space can be
> active simultaneously.  On a multithreaded CPU (in particular) there's
> only one TLB, so memory (including any memory specially handled by the
> kernel) is all held in common.  The *only* thing available to a user
> privilege program which distinguishes the threads is the CPU register
> set.
> 
> (Well, and the stack, which is a difference inherited from the value
> in the stack pointer register.  But the stack pointer is not really
> going to help much to return a thread-characteristic pointer or ID.)

Well, why not use the stack?

I am not quite familiar with the requirements on this "thread register",
but couldn't something like this be made to work:
  #define TID *((sp & ~(STACK_SIZE-1)) + STACK_SIZE - TID_OFFSET)

It assumes a fixed maximum stack size (and alignment), which it should
be possible to meet (virtual memory is cheap). The STACK_SIZE could
probably even be a (process global!) variable if it is not desirable
to limit this at compile time.

  -Tommy

  reply	other threads:[~2002-01-22 22:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <m3elkoa5dw.fsf@myware.mynet>
2002-01-18 18:19 ` thread-ready ABIs H . J . Lu
2002-01-18 18:31   ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-01-18 19:08     ` H . J . Lu
2002-01-18 19:20       ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-01-19 12:14         ` Dominic Sweetman
2002-01-19 12:14           ` Dominic Sweetman
2002-01-20  0:14     ` Ralf Baechle
2002-01-18 20:03   ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2002-01-18 20:20     ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-01-18 20:50       ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2002-01-18 21:02         ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-01-18 21:35           ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2002-01-18 21:44             ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-01-18 22:17               ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2002-01-18 21:23   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-01-19  0:35   ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-19  0:35     ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-19  4:11     ` H . J . Lu
2002-01-19 12:27       ` Dominic Sweetman
2002-01-19 19:42         ` H . J . Lu
2002-01-21 13:27           ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2002-01-19 22:21         ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-19 22:21           ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-20 10:38       ` Machida Hiroyuki
2002-01-20 11:58         ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-20 11:58           ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-20 13:16           ` Machida Hiroyuki
2002-01-22  6:27             ` patches for test-and-set without ll/sc (Re: thread-ready ABIs) Machida Hiroyuki
2002-01-22  6:37               ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-01-22  6:46                 ` Machida Hiroyuki
2002-01-22  6:56                   ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-01-24  9:56                 ` Andreas Jaeger
2002-01-24  9:56                   ` Andreas Jaeger
2002-01-20 19:19           ` thread-ready ABIs H . J . Lu
2002-01-21  9:39             ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-21  9:39               ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-21 13:56               ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2002-01-21 18:24                 ` H . J . Lu
2002-01-21 18:36                   ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-01-21 18:52                     ` H . J . Lu
2002-01-21 18:58                       ` H . J . Lu
2002-01-21 18:59                       ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-01-21 19:05                         ` H . J . Lu
2002-01-21 19:09                           ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-01-21 19:18                             ` H . J . Lu
2002-01-21 21:04                         ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-21 21:04                           ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-21 19:30                       ` Geoff Keating
2002-01-21 21:07                       ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-01-21 13:43             ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2002-01-20  0:24     ` Ralf Baechle
2002-01-21 23:22       ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-01-21 23:57         ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-21 23:57           ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-22  0:16           ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-01-22  0:16             ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-01-22  9:37             ` Dominic Sweetman
2002-01-22  9:37               ` Dominic Sweetman
2002-01-22 17:41               ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-01-22 17:41                 ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-01-22  9:59           ` Dominic Sweetman
2002-01-22  9:59             ` Dominic Sweetman
2002-01-22 12:18             ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-22 12:18               ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-22 15:21               ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-01-22 15:44                 ` Dominic Sweetman
2002-01-22 21:44                   ` Tommy S. Christensen [this message]
2002-01-22 21:53                     ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-22 21:53                       ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-22 23:13                       ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-22 23:13                         ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-23  1:12                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2002-01-22 16:05                 ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-22 16:05                   ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-22 16:34                   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-01-22 17:08                     ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-22 17:08                       ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-22 17:13                       ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-01-22 17:34                         ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-22 17:34                           ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-22 17:37                           ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-01-22 17:47                             ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-22 17:47                               ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-22 17:57                               ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-01-22 18:18                                 ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-22 18:18                                   ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-27 20:24                         ` Alan Cox
2002-01-27 20:24                           ` Alan Cox
2002-01-28  8:50                           ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-28  8:50                             ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-01-22  1:39   ` Richard Henderson
2002-01-18 21:24 Justin Carlson
2002-01-18 21:31 ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-01-18 21:42 ` Maciej W. Rozycki

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