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From: Helge Hafting <helgehaf@aitel.hist.no>
To: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Are linux-fs's drive-fault-tolerant by concept?
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 12:51:54 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030420105154.GA16451@hh.idb.hist.no> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200304192115.h3JLFVuL018983@turing-police.cc.vt.edu>

On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 05:15:31PM -0400, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Apr 2003 22:56:21 +0200, Helge Hafting said:
> 
> > There are commercially available programs that guarantees to
> > wipe your drive clean - including hidden areas and remapped
> > sectors.  You should then be able to send drives
> > back for warranty replacement.
> 
> These don't address the problem - if the drive won't go "ready" because
> of a blown server platter, your data won't get overwritten but it's still
> readable (a number of companies make good money at this).
> 
I see.  Your data is so special that you expect people to pay for
reconstruction hoping to find something that pays for all
that trouble and more.

> In general, if the disk is dead enough that you're looking at replacement,
> you'll probably not be totally pleased with the results of those programs..
> 
I have replaced a couple of drives in my life - because a few sectors
didn't read back right.  I expect a overwrite program to be just
fine under such circumstances.  

> > There are also bulk erasers that reset every bit magnetically,
> > but those will probably void the warranty too.  (You'll
> > need a low-level reformat to recreate sector addresses on the
> > suddenly blank surface.)
> 
> Note that this only works well for single-platter disks - the field
> you need to get the *inner* surfaces of the platters, especially for
> a 5 or 6 platter disk, is quite astounding....

Why would it be hard to reach the inner surfaces - the disks
are not superconducting so the outer ones do not shield the
inner ones from a strong magnetic field.  You should be fine
as long as the field extend far enough to get the entire
drive.  A high-frequency device might have trouble,
but you don't need that - even a static field will do.

Helge Hafting



  reply	other threads:[~2003-04-20 10:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-04-19 16:04 Are linux-fs's drive-fault-tolerant by concept? Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-04-19 15:29 ` Alan Cox
2003-04-19 17:00   ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-04-19 22:04     ` Alan Cox
2003-04-20 16:24       ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-04-20 13:59     ` John Bradford
2003-04-20 16:55       ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-04-20 17:12         ` John Bradford
2003-04-20 17:21           ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-04-20 18:48             ` Alan Cox
2003-04-20 20:00               ` John Bradford
2003-04-21  1:51                 ` jw schultz
2003-04-19 21:13   ` Jos Hulzink
2003-04-20 16:07     ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-04-20 16:40       ` John Bradford
2003-04-20 17:01         ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-04-20 17:20           ` John Bradford
2003-04-21  9:32             ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-04-21  9:55               ` John Bradford
2003-04-21 11:24                 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-04-21 11:50                   ` Alan Cox
2003-04-21 12:14                   ` John Bradford
2003-04-19 16:22 ` John Bradford
2003-04-19 16:36   ` Russell King
2003-04-19 16:45     ` John Bradford
2003-04-19 16:52   ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-04-19 20:04     ` John Bradford
2003-04-19 20:33       ` Andreas Dilger
2003-04-21  9:25         ` Denis Vlasenko
2003-04-21  9:42           ` John Bradford
2003-04-21 10:25             ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-04-21 10:50               ` John Bradford
2003-04-19 20:38       ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-04-20 14:21         ` John Bradford
2003-04-21  9:09           ` Denis Vlasenko
2003-04-21  9:35             ` John Bradford
2003-04-21 11:03               ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-04-21 12:04                 ` John Bradford
2003-04-21 11:22               ` Denis Vlasenko
2003-04-21 11:46                 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-04-21 12:13                 ` John Bradford
2003-04-19 20:05     ` John Bradford
2003-04-19 23:13     ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2003-04-19 17:54   ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2003-04-25  0:07   ` Stewart Smith
2003-04-25  0:52     ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-04-25  7:13       ` John Bradford
     [not found] ` <20030419161011$0136@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-04-19 17:18   ` Florian Weimer
2003-04-19 18:07     ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-04-19 18:41       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2003-04-19 20:56         ` Helge Hafting
2003-04-19 21:15           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-04-20 10:51             ` Helge Hafting [this message]
2003-04-20 19:04               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-04-19 21:57         ` Alan Cox
2003-04-20 10:09         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-04-21  8:37         ` Denis Vlasenko
2003-05-05 12:38         ` Pavel Machek
2003-04-19 22:02     ` Alan Cox
2003-04-20  8:41       ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-04-25  0:11     ` Stewart Smith
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-04-20 15:06 Chuck Ebbert
2003-04-20 15:19 ` John Bradford
2003-04-20 17:03 Chuck Ebbert
2003-04-20 17:25 ` John Bradford
2003-04-20 17:28 Chuck Ebbert
2003-04-21  9:36 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-04-20 17:28 Chuck Ebbert
2003-04-20 17:44 Chuck Ebbert
2003-04-20 17:44 Chuck Ebbert
     [not found] <mail.linux.kernel/20030420185512.763df745.skraw@ithnet.com>
     [not found] ` <03Apr21.020150edt.41463@gpu.utcc.utoronto.ca>
2003-04-21 11:19   ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-04-21 11:52     ` Alan Cox
2003-04-21 14:14     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-05-06  7:03       ` Mike Fedyk

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