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From: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>
To: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
Cc: William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>,
	"Martin J. Bligh" <mbligh@aracnet.com>,
	Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>,
	Linux Memory Management List <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: What to expect with the 2.6 VM
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 15:48:21 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030703134821.GD23578@dualathlon.random> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0307030904260.16582-100000@chimarrao.boston.redhat.com>

On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 09:06:32AM -0400, Rik van Riel wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Jul 2003, Andrea Arcangeli wrote:
> 
> > even if you don't use largepages as you should, the ram cost of the pte
> > is nothing on 64bit archs, all you care about is to use all the mhz and
> > tlb entries of the cpu.
> 
> That depends on the number of Oracle processes you have.

well, that wasn't necessairly a database but ok.

> Say that page tables need 0.1% of the space of the virtual
> space they map.  With 1000 Oracle users you'd end up needing
> as much memory in page tables as your shm segment is large.

so just add more ram, ram is cheaper than cpu power (I mean, on 64bit)

> Of course, in this situation either the application should
> use large pages or the kernel should simply reclaim the

as you say, it should definitely use largepages if it's such kind of
usage, so the whole point of saving pte space is void.  it should use
largepages even if it's not "many tasks mapping the shm", but just a
single task mapping some huge ram.

> Agreed on that.  Please let the monstrosity die together
> with 32 bit machines ;)

Indeed ;)

Andrea

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From: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>
To: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
Cc: William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>,
	"Martin J. Bligh" <mbligh@aracnet.com>,
	Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>,
	Linux Memory Management List <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: What to expect with the 2.6 VM
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 15:48:21 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030703134821.GD23578@dualathlon.random> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0307030904260.16582-100000@chimarrao.boston.redhat.com>

On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 09:06:32AM -0400, Rik van Riel wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Jul 2003, Andrea Arcangeli wrote:
> 
> > even if you don't use largepages as you should, the ram cost of the pte
> > is nothing on 64bit archs, all you care about is to use all the mhz and
> > tlb entries of the cpu.
> 
> That depends on the number of Oracle processes you have.

well, that wasn't necessairly a database but ok.

> Say that page tables need 0.1% of the space of the virtual
> space they map.  With 1000 Oracle users you'd end up needing
> as much memory in page tables as your shm segment is large.

so just add more ram, ram is cheaper than cpu power (I mean, on 64bit)

> Of course, in this situation either the application should
> use large pages or the kernel should simply reclaim the

as you say, it should definitely use largepages if it's such kind of
usage, so the whole point of saving pte space is void.  it should use
largepages even if it's not "many tasks mapping the shm", but just a
single task mapping some huge ram.

> Agreed on that.  Please let the monstrosity die together
> with 32 bit machines ;)

Indeed ;)

Andrea
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  reply	other threads:[~2003-07-03 13:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 151+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-07-01  1:39 What to expect with the 2.6 VM Mel Gorman
2003-07-01  1:39 ` Mel Gorman
2003-06-30 17:43 ` Daniel Phillips
2003-06-30 17:43   ` Daniel Phillips
2003-07-01 20:10   ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-07-01 20:10     ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-07-01 21:41   ` Mel Gorman
2003-07-01 21:41     ` Mel Gorman
2003-07-01 21:51     ` Davide Libenzi
2003-07-01 21:51       ` Davide Libenzi
2003-07-01 21:58     ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-07-01 21:58       ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-07-02  9:01       ` Mel Gorman
2003-07-02  9:01         ` Mel Gorman
2003-07-01  2:25 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-01  2:25   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-01  3:02   ` Andrew Morton
2003-07-01  3:02     ` Andrew Morton
2003-07-01  3:22     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-01  3:22       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-01  3:25       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-01  3:25         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-01  3:29       ` Rik van Riel
2003-07-01  3:29         ` Rik van Riel
2003-07-01  4:04         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-01  4:04           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-01 11:01     ` Hugh Dickins
2003-07-01 11:01       ` Hugh Dickins
2003-07-01  3:25   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-01  3:25     ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-01  4:39     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-01  4:39       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-01  6:33       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-01  6:33         ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-01  7:49         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-01  7:49           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-01  8:59           ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-01  8:59             ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-01  9:27             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-01  9:27               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-01 12:09               ` severe problem of linux 2.4.21 usb tu guangxiu
2003-07-01 14:24             ` What to expect with the 2.6 VM Martin J. Bligh
2003-07-01 14:24               ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-07-01 16:22               ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-01 16:22                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-01 17:54                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-07-01 17:54                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-07-02  3:04                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-02  3:04                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-01 14:42           ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-07-01 21:45     ` Mel Gorman
2003-07-01 21:45       ` Mel Gorman
2003-07-01 22:06       ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-07-01 22:06         ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-07-01 21:46   ` Mel Gorman
2003-07-01 21:46     ` Mel Gorman
2003-07-02  3:08     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-02  3:08       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-02 15:57   ` Mel Gorman
2003-07-02 15:57     ` Mel Gorman
2003-07-02 17:11     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-02 17:11       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-02 17:10       ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-07-02 17:10         ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-07-02 17:47         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-02 17:47           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-02 17:52           ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-07-02 17:52             ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-07-02 18:13             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-02 18:13               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-02 18:05           ` Rik van Riel
2003-07-02 18:05             ` Rik van Riel
2003-07-02 20:05             ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-07-02 20:05               ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-07-02 21:40           ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-02 21:40             ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-02 21:48             ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-07-02 21:48               ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-07-02 22:14               ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-02 22:14                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-02 22:02             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-02 22:02               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-02 22:15               ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-02 22:15                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-02 22:26                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-02 22:26                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-02 23:11                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-02 23:11                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-02 23:30                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-02 23:30                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-02 23:55                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-02 23:55                         ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-03 11:31                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-03 11:31                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-03 11:46                           ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-03 11:46                             ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-03 12:58                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-03 12:58                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-03 13:06                               ` Rik van Riel
2003-07-03 13:06                                 ` Rik van Riel
2003-07-03 13:48                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli [this message]
2003-07-03 13:48                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-03 18:53                                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-03 18:53                                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-03 19:27                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-03 19:27                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-03 19:32                                     ` Rik van Riel
2003-07-03 19:32                                       ` Rik van Riel
2003-07-03 20:16                                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-03 20:16                                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04  0:40                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-04  0:40                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-04  1:46                                         ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04  1:46                                           ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04  2:34                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-04  2:34                                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-04  4:10                                             ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04  4:10                                               ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04  5:54                                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-04  5:54                                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-04  8:15                                                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04  8:15                                                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04 23:44                                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-04 23:44                                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-05  0:05                                                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-05  0:05                                                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-05  0:08                                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-05  0:08                                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-03 18:48                               ` Jamie Lokier
2003-07-03 18:48                                 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-07-03 18:54                                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-03 18:54                                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-03 19:33                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-03 19:33                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-03 22:21                                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-03 22:21                                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04  0:46                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-04  0:46                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-04  1:33                                         ` Jamie Lokier
2003-07-04  1:33                                           ` Jamie Lokier
2003-07-04  1:36                                         ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04  1:36                                           ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04  6:54                                 ` Garbage collectors and VM (was Re: What to expect with the 2.6 VM) Zack Weinberg
2003-07-04 12:07                                   ` Jamie Lokier
2003-07-04 16:13                                     ` Garbage collectors and VM Zack Weinberg
2003-07-03 19:06                           ` What to expect with the 2.6 VM Andrew Morton
2003-07-03 19:06                             ` Andrew Morton
2003-07-03 19:34                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-03 19:34                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-02 18:07         ` Rik van Riel
2003-07-02 18:07           ` Rik van Riel

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