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From: William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>
To: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
Cc: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>,
	"Martin J. Bligh" <mbligh@aracnet.com>,
	Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>,
	Linux Memory Management List <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: What to expect with the 2.6 VM
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 11:53:41 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030703185341.GJ20413@holomorphy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0307030904260.16582-100000@chimarrao.boston.redhat.com>

On Thu, 3 Jul 2003, Andrea Arcangeli wrote:
>> even if you don't use largepages as you should, the ram cost of the pte
>> is nothing on 64bit archs, all you care about is to use all the mhz and
>> tlb entries of the cpu.

On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 09:06:32AM -0400, Rik van Riel wrote:
> That depends on the number of Oracle processes you have.
> Say that page tables need 0.1% of the space of the virtual
> space they map.  With 1000 Oracle users you'd end up needing
> as much memory in page tables as your shm segment is large.
> Of course, in this situation either the application should
> use large pages or the kernel should simply reclaim the
> page tables (possible while holding the mmap_sem for write).

No, it is not true that pagetable space can be wantonly wasted
on 64-bit.

Try mmap()'ing something sufficiently huge and accessing on average
every PAGE_SIZE'th virtual page, in a single-threaded single process.
e.g. various indexing schemes might do this. This is 1 pagetable page
per page of data (worse if shared), which blows major goats.

There's a reason why those things use inverted pagetables... at any
rate, compacting virtualspace with remap_file_pages() solves it too.

Large pages won't help, since the data isn't contiguous.


-- wli

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From: William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>
To: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
Cc: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>,
	"Martin J. Bligh" <mbligh@aracnet.com>,
	Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>,
	Linux Memory Management List <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: What to expect with the 2.6 VM
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 11:53:41 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030703185341.GJ20413@holomorphy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0307030904260.16582-100000@chimarrao.boston.redhat.com>

On Thu, 3 Jul 2003, Andrea Arcangeli wrote:
>> even if you don't use largepages as you should, the ram cost of the pte
>> is nothing on 64bit archs, all you care about is to use all the mhz and
>> tlb entries of the cpu.

On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 09:06:32AM -0400, Rik van Riel wrote:
> That depends on the number of Oracle processes you have.
> Say that page tables need 0.1% of the space of the virtual
> space they map.  With 1000 Oracle users you'd end up needing
> as much memory in page tables as your shm segment is large.
> Of course, in this situation either the application should
> use large pages or the kernel should simply reclaim the
> page tables (possible while holding the mmap_sem for write).

No, it is not true that pagetable space can be wantonly wasted
on 64-bit.

Try mmap()'ing something sufficiently huge and accessing on average
every PAGE_SIZE'th virtual page, in a single-threaded single process.
e.g. various indexing schemes might do this. This is 1 pagetable page
per page of data (worse if shared), which blows major goats.

There's a reason why those things use inverted pagetables... at any
rate, compacting virtualspace with remap_file_pages() solves it too.

Large pages won't help, since the data isn't contiguous.


-- wli
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-07-03 18:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 151+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-07-01  1:39 What to expect with the 2.6 VM Mel Gorman
2003-07-01  1:39 ` Mel Gorman
2003-06-30 17:43 ` Daniel Phillips
2003-06-30 17:43   ` Daniel Phillips
2003-07-01 20:10   ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-07-01 20:10     ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-07-01 21:41   ` Mel Gorman
2003-07-01 21:41     ` Mel Gorman
2003-07-01 21:51     ` Davide Libenzi
2003-07-01 21:51       ` Davide Libenzi
2003-07-01 21:58     ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-07-01 21:58       ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-07-02  9:01       ` Mel Gorman
2003-07-02  9:01         ` Mel Gorman
2003-07-01  2:25 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-01  2:25   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-01  3:02   ` Andrew Morton
2003-07-01  3:02     ` Andrew Morton
2003-07-01  3:22     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-01  3:22       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-01  3:25       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-01  3:25         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-01  3:29       ` Rik van Riel
2003-07-01  3:29         ` Rik van Riel
2003-07-01  4:04         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-01  4:04           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-01 11:01     ` Hugh Dickins
2003-07-01 11:01       ` Hugh Dickins
2003-07-01  3:25   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-01  3:25     ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-01  4:39     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-01  4:39       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-01  6:33       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-01  6:33         ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-01  7:49         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-01  7:49           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-01  8:59           ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-01  8:59             ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-01  9:27             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-01  9:27               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-01 12:09               ` severe problem of linux 2.4.21 usb tu guangxiu
2003-07-01 14:24             ` What to expect with the 2.6 VM Martin J. Bligh
2003-07-01 14:24               ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-07-01 16:22               ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-01 16:22                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-01 17:54                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-07-01 17:54                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-07-02  3:04                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-02  3:04                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-01 14:42           ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-07-01 21:45     ` Mel Gorman
2003-07-01 21:45       ` Mel Gorman
2003-07-01 22:06       ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-07-01 22:06         ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-07-01 21:46   ` Mel Gorman
2003-07-01 21:46     ` Mel Gorman
2003-07-02  3:08     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-02  3:08       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-02 15:57   ` Mel Gorman
2003-07-02 15:57     ` Mel Gorman
2003-07-02 17:11     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-02 17:11       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-02 17:10       ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-07-02 17:10         ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-07-02 17:47         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-02 17:47           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-02 17:52           ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-07-02 17:52             ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-07-02 18:13             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-02 18:13               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-02 18:05           ` Rik van Riel
2003-07-02 18:05             ` Rik van Riel
2003-07-02 20:05             ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-07-02 20:05               ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-07-02 21:40           ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-02 21:40             ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-02 21:48             ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-07-02 21:48               ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-07-02 22:14               ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-02 22:14                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-02 22:02             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-02 22:02               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-02 22:15               ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-02 22:15                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-02 22:26                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-02 22:26                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-02 23:11                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-02 23:11                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-02 23:30                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-02 23:30                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-02 23:55                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-02 23:55                         ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-03 11:31                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-03 11:31                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-03 11:46                           ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-03 11:46                             ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-03 12:58                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-03 12:58                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-03 13:06                               ` Rik van Riel
2003-07-03 13:06                                 ` Rik van Riel
2003-07-03 13:48                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-03 13:48                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-03 18:53                                 ` William Lee Irwin III [this message]
2003-07-03 18:53                                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-03 19:27                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-03 19:27                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-03 19:32                                     ` Rik van Riel
2003-07-03 19:32                                       ` Rik van Riel
2003-07-03 20:16                                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-03 20:16                                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04  0:40                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-04  0:40                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-04  1:46                                         ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04  1:46                                           ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04  2:34                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-04  2:34                                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-04  4:10                                             ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04  4:10                                               ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04  5:54                                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-04  5:54                                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-04  8:15                                                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04  8:15                                                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04 23:44                                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-04 23:44                                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-05  0:05                                                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-05  0:05                                                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-05  0:08                                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-05  0:08                                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-03 18:48                               ` Jamie Lokier
2003-07-03 18:48                                 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-07-03 18:54                                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-03 18:54                                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-03 19:33                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-03 19:33                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-03 22:21                                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-03 22:21                                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04  0:46                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-04  0:46                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-04  1:33                                         ` Jamie Lokier
2003-07-04  1:33                                           ` Jamie Lokier
2003-07-04  1:36                                         ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04  1:36                                           ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04  6:54                                 ` Garbage collectors and VM (was Re: What to expect with the 2.6 VM) Zack Weinberg
2003-07-04 12:07                                   ` Jamie Lokier
2003-07-04 16:13                                     ` Garbage collectors and VM Zack Weinberg
2003-07-03 19:06                           ` What to expect with the 2.6 VM Andrew Morton
2003-07-03 19:06                             ` Andrew Morton
2003-07-03 19:34                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-03 19:34                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-07-02 18:07         ` Rik van Riel
2003-07-02 18:07           ` Rik van Riel

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