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From: William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>
To: "Martin J. Bligh" <mbligh@aracnet.com>
Cc: Helge Hafting <helgehaf@aitel.hist.no>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: 2.5.74-mm1 fails to boot due to APIC trouble, 2.5.73mm3 works.
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 13:07:46 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030704200746.GB1715@holomorphy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <15480000.1057347497@[10.10.2.4]>

On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 02:35:31AM -0700, William Lee Irwin III wrote:
>> It's not a cleanup, and it doesn't touch trailing whitespace etc.

On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 12:38:19PM -0700, Martin J. Bligh wrote:
> Maybe not, but it looks like one. Maybe if you actually explain
> what you're trying to fix, and why?
> I think this kind of change deserves a better explanation that 
> "I'm right" ... that's my main objection.

I'll try to be more verbose, then.


On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 02:35:31AM -0700, William Lee Irwin III wrote:
>> It is.

On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 12:38:19PM -0700, Martin J. Bligh wrote:
> Explain. Not obvious to the casual observer.

The function assigns physical APIC ID's to IO-APIC's. The loop is
intended to iterate over the physical APIC ID space. 0xf is an
inaccurate description of the upper bound on the physical APIC ID space.
APIC_BROADCAST_ID is a more accurate upper bound.


On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 02:35:31AM -0700, William Lee Irwin III wrote:
>> APIC_BROADCAST_ID is an upper bound on valid physical APIC ID's as it
>> is used in the code. That actually was commented in the patch.

On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 12:38:19PM -0700, Martin J. Bligh wrote:
> I find it odd that this worked before then. Also seems to be a separate
> issue from the rest of the patch. Is quite probably correct, is just
> non-obvious in the context of the rest of the patch.

I audited not only for usage of limited-width bitmaps for APIC ID
spaces, but also improper bounds on iterations over APIC ID spaces.
Things ran out of APIC ID's when phys_cpu_present_map was NR_CPUS
wide. This patch makes the limits accurate to the hardware with
the brute-force application of bitmaps. The semantic impact of
dropping in a bitmap is very low. The issue that arose was that it
wasn't wide enough, which was obvious enough to spot as a thinko
without even testing.


On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 02:35:31AM -0700, William Lee Irwin III wrote:
>> The change is correct, and I am not thinking of any such thing.
>> APIC_BROADCAST_ID's sole usage is for terminating loops over physical
>> APIC ID's while setting the physical APIC ID's of IO-APIC's.

On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 12:38:19PM -0700, Martin J. Bligh wrote:
> Why is Summit 0xF, and bigsmp 0xFF then?

Summit (and all other xAPIC-based subarches) should be 0xFF; I missed
it in the sweep.


On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 02:35:31AM -0700, William Lee Irwin III wrote:
>> Look at where it's used.

On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 12:38:19PM -0700, Martin J. Bligh wrote:
> I did. Still unclear why you think this is correct, or what physical
> apicids have to do with a function that maps from apicids to  the
> phys_cpu_present_map, which is a compact mapping of logical apicids
> for NUMA-Q.
> Sorry, but this needs more explanation.

The bitmap width is sufficient. NUMA-Q abuses what everything else
uses for physical APIC ID's (partly because of the BIOS). It so happens
that the array is MAX_APICS wide, which suffices for NUMA-Q (and
anything else that cares to use it).

No. This was not written for or around NUMA-Q; it's meant for the
io_apic.c loops and sparse physid wakeup on non-NUMA-Q machines.


-- wli

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From: William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>
To: "Martin J. Bligh" <mbligh@aracnet.com>
Cc: Helge Hafting <helgehaf@aitel.hist.no>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: 2.5.74-mm1 fails to boot due to APIC trouble, 2.5.73mm3 works.
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 13:07:46 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030704200746.GB1715@holomorphy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <15480000.1057347497@[10.10.2.4]>

On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 02:35:31AM -0700, William Lee Irwin III wrote:
>> It's not a cleanup, and it doesn't touch trailing whitespace etc.

On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 12:38:19PM -0700, Martin J. Bligh wrote:
> Maybe not, but it looks like one. Maybe if you actually explain
> what you're trying to fix, and why?
> I think this kind of change deserves a better explanation that 
> "I'm right" ... that's my main objection.

I'll try to be more verbose, then.


On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 02:35:31AM -0700, William Lee Irwin III wrote:
>> It is.

On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 12:38:19PM -0700, Martin J. Bligh wrote:
> Explain. Not obvious to the casual observer.

The function assigns physical APIC ID's to IO-APIC's. The loop is
intended to iterate over the physical APIC ID space. 0xf is an
inaccurate description of the upper bound on the physical APIC ID space.
APIC_BROADCAST_ID is a more accurate upper bound.


On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 02:35:31AM -0700, William Lee Irwin III wrote:
>> APIC_BROADCAST_ID is an upper bound on valid physical APIC ID's as it
>> is used in the code. That actually was commented in the patch.

On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 12:38:19PM -0700, Martin J. Bligh wrote:
> I find it odd that this worked before then. Also seems to be a separate
> issue from the rest of the patch. Is quite probably correct, is just
> non-obvious in the context of the rest of the patch.

I audited not only for usage of limited-width bitmaps for APIC ID
spaces, but also improper bounds on iterations over APIC ID spaces.
Things ran out of APIC ID's when phys_cpu_present_map was NR_CPUS
wide. This patch makes the limits accurate to the hardware with
the brute-force application of bitmaps. The semantic impact of
dropping in a bitmap is very low. The issue that arose was that it
wasn't wide enough, which was obvious enough to spot as a thinko
without even testing.


On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 02:35:31AM -0700, William Lee Irwin III wrote:
>> The change is correct, and I am not thinking of any such thing.
>> APIC_BROADCAST_ID's sole usage is for terminating loops over physical
>> APIC ID's while setting the physical APIC ID's of IO-APIC's.

On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 12:38:19PM -0700, Martin J. Bligh wrote:
> Why is Summit 0xF, and bigsmp 0xFF then?

Summit (and all other xAPIC-based subarches) should be 0xFF; I missed
it in the sweep.


On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 02:35:31AM -0700, William Lee Irwin III wrote:
>> Look at where it's used.

On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 12:38:19PM -0700, Martin J. Bligh wrote:
> I did. Still unclear why you think this is correct, or what physical
> apicids have to do with a function that maps from apicids to  the
> phys_cpu_present_map, which is a compact mapping of logical apicids
> for NUMA-Q.
> Sorry, but this needs more explanation.

The bitmap width is sufficient. NUMA-Q abuses what everything else
uses for physical APIC ID's (partly because of the BIOS). It so happens
that the array is MAX_APICS wide, which suffices for NUMA-Q (and
anything else that cares to use it).

No. This was not written for or around NUMA-Q; it's meant for the
io_apic.c loops and sparse physid wakeup on non-NUMA-Q machines.


-- wli
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Thread overview: 214+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-07-03  9:37 2.5.74-mm1 Andrew Morton
2003-07-03  9:37 ` 2.5.74-mm1 Andrew Morton
2003-07-03 10:37 ` 2.5.74-mm1 Wiktor Wodecki
2003-07-03 11:06   ` 2.5.74-mm1 Russell King
2003-07-03 14:15     ` 2.5.74-mm1 Russell King
2003-07-03 16:05       ` 2.5.74-mm1 Patrick Mochel
2003-07-03 16:19         ` 2.5.74-mm1 Russell King
2003-07-03 16:24           ` 2.5.74-mm1 Patrick Mochel
2003-07-03 16:47       ` 2.5.74-mm1 Wiktor Wodecki
2003-07-03 18:43       ` 2.5.74-mm1 Serge Eric Thiam
2003-07-03 21:49       ` 2.5.74-mm1 Wiktor Wodecki
2003-07-03 21:53         ` 2.5.74-mm1 Russell King
2003-07-03 22:12           ` 2.5.74-mm1 Patrick Mochel
2003-07-03 22:14         ` 2.5.74-mm1 Russell King
2003-07-04  8:00           ` 2.5.74-mm1 Wiktor Wodecki
2003-07-03 11:27   ` pcmcia problem [was: Re: 2.5.74-mm1] Wiktor Wodecki
2003-07-03 10:45 ` 2.5.74-mm1 (p4-clockmod does not compile) Dumitru Ciobarcianu
2003-07-03 10:45   ` Dumitru Ciobarcianu
2003-07-03 11:07   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-03 11:07     ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-03 11:17     ` Dumitru Ciobarcianu
2003-07-03 11:17       ` Dumitru Ciobarcianu
2003-07-03 11:20       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-03 11:20         ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-03 11:32         ` 2.5.74-mm1 (p4-clockmod does not compile) PATCH Dumitru Ciobarcianu
2003-07-07  5:24         ` 2.5.74-mm1 (p4-clockmod does not compile) Zwane Mwaikambo
2003-07-07  5:24           ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2003-07-07  5:47           ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-07  5:47             ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-03 13:15 ` o1-interactivity.patch (was Re: 2.5.74-mm1) Sean Neakums
2003-07-03 13:15   ` Sean Neakums
2003-07-03 13:30   ` Con Kolivas
2003-07-03 13:30     ` Con Kolivas
2003-07-03 16:02 ` 2.5.74-mm1 Felipe Alfaro Solana
2003-07-03 16:02   ` 2.5.74-mm1 Felipe Alfaro Solana
2003-07-03 18:11 ` 2.5.74-mm1 Pasi Savolainen
2003-07-03 18:11   ` 2.5.74-mm1 Pasi Savolainen
2003-07-03 20:25 ` 2.5.74-mm1 William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-03 20:48   ` 2.5.74-mm1 William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04  8:55 ` 2.5.74-mm1 fails to boot due to APIC trouble, 2.5.73mm3 works Helge Hafting
2003-07-04  8:55   ` Helge Hafting
2003-07-04  8:53   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04  8:53     ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04  9:35   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04  9:35     ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04  9:50     ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04  9:50       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04 10:02       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04 10:02         ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04 10:07         ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04 10:07           ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04 11:12           ` Helge Hafting
2003-07-04 11:12             ` Helge Hafting
2003-07-04 11:10             ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04 11:10               ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04 12:50             ` Vincent Hanquez
2003-07-04 15:41       ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-07-04 15:41         ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-07-04 15:47         ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2003-07-04 15:47           ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2003-07-04 16:18           ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-07-04 16:18             ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-07-04 16:16             ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2003-07-04 16:16               ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2003-07-04 18:31             ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04 18:31               ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04 19:20               ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-07-04 19:20                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-07-04 19:31                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04 19:31                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04 19:53                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-07-04 19:53                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-07-04 20:17                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04 20:17                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04 18:32             ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04 18:32               ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04 18:36             ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04 18:36               ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04 18:29           ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04 18:29             ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04 18:26         ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04 18:26           ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04 19:38           ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-07-04 19:38             ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-07-04 20:07             ` William Lee Irwin III [this message]
2003-07-04 20:07               ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04 20:37               ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-07-04 20:37                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-07-04 21:07 ` 2.5.74-mm1 William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04 21:07   ` 2.5.74-mm1 William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-05  1:15   ` 2.5.74-mm1 Andrew Morton
2003-07-05  1:15     ` 2.5.74-mm1 Andrew Morton
2003-07-05  5:21     ` 2.5.74-mm1 Anton Blanchard
2003-07-05  5:21       ` 2.5.74-mm1 Anton Blanchard
2003-07-05 11:18       ` 2.5.74-mm1 William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-05 11:18         ` 2.5.74-mm1 William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-05 11:46         ` 2.5.74-mm1 William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-05 11:46           ` 2.5.74-mm1 William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-05 10:44     ` 2.5.74-mm1 William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-05 10:44       ` 2.5.74-mm1 William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-05 18:43       ` 2.5.74-mm1 Andrew Morton
2003-07-05 18:43         ` 2.5.74-mm1 Andrew Morton
2003-07-05 21:17         ` 2.5.74-mm1 William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-05 21:17           ` 2.5.74-mm1 William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-05 21:27           ` 2.5.74-mm1 Andrew Morton
2003-07-05 21:27             ` 2.5.74-mm1 Andrew Morton
2003-07-05 22:03             ` 2.5.74-mm1 William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-05 22:03               ` 2.5.74-mm1 William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-05  0:16 ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-05  0:16   ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-05 15:28   ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-05 15:28     ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-05 16:01     ` 2.5.74-mm1 Con Kolivas
2003-07-05 16:01       ` 2.5.74-mm1 Con Kolivas
2003-07-05 17:47       ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-05 17:47         ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-06  3:41         ` 2.5.74-mm1 Con Kolivas
2003-07-06  3:41           ` 2.5.74-mm1 Con Kolivas
2003-07-06 18:50           ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-06 18:50             ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-05 19:14     ` 2.5.74-mm1 Andrew Morton
2003-07-05 19:14       ` 2.5.74-mm1 Andrew Morton
2003-07-05 21:09       ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-05 21:09         ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-05 21:44         ` 2.5.74-mm1 Jamie Lokier
2003-07-05 21:44           ` 2.5.74-mm1 Jamie Lokier
2003-07-05 22:10           ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-05 22:10             ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-06  1:28             ` 2.5.74-mm1 Jamie Lokier
2003-07-06  1:28               ` 2.5.74-mm1 Jamie Lokier
2003-07-06  2:14               ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-06  2:14                 ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-06  2:21                 ` 2.5.74-mm1 Davide Libenzi
2003-07-06  2:21                   ` 2.5.74-mm1 Davide Libenzi
2003-07-06 13:54                   ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-06 13:54                     ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-07 10:00                 ` 2.5.74-mm1 Mel Gorman
2003-07-07 10:00                   ` 2.5.74-mm1 Mel Gorman
2003-07-07 12:24                   ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-07 12:24                     ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-07 13:09                     ` 2.5.74-mm1 Alex Riesen
2003-07-07 14:33                       ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-07 14:34                         ` 2.5.74-mm1 Alex Riesen
2003-07-07 13:16                     ` 2.5.74-mm1 Mel Gorman
2003-07-07 13:16                       ` 2.5.74-mm1 Mel Gorman
2003-07-07 14:47                       ` 2.5.74-mm1 Davide Libenzi
2003-07-07 14:47                         ` 2.5.74-mm1 Davide Libenzi
2003-07-07 15:23                         ` 2.5.74-mm1 Jamie Lokier
2003-07-07 15:23                           ` 2.5.74-mm1 Jamie Lokier
2003-07-07 17:25                           ` 2.5.74-mm1 Davide Libenzi
2003-07-07 17:25                             ` 2.5.74-mm1 Davide Libenzi
2003-07-07 17:55                             ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-07 17:55                               ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-07 18:36                               ` 2.5.74-mm1 Davide Libenzi
2003-07-07 18:36                                 ` 2.5.74-mm1 Davide Libenzi
2003-07-07 19:07                                 ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-07 19:07                                   ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-07 22:03                                   ` 2.5.74-mm1 Davide Libenzi
2003-07-08  0:13                                     ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-08  0:29                                       ` 2.5.74-mm1 Davide Libenzi
2003-07-08  1:07                                         ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-08  7:48                                           ` 2.5.74-mm1 Davide Libenzi
2003-07-08  9:18                                             ` 2.5.74-mm1 Nick Piggin
2003-07-08 15:24                                               ` 2.5.74-mm1 Davide Libenzi
2003-07-09  0:36                                                 ` 2.5.74-mm1 Nick Piggin
2003-07-08 11:09                                             ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-08 18:19                                               ` 2.5.74-mm1 Davide Libenzi
2003-07-08 19:12                                                 ` 2.5.74-mm1 Davide Libenzi
2003-07-07 19:39                                 ` 2.5.74-mm1 Jamie Lokier
2003-07-07 19:39                                   ` 2.5.74-mm1 Jamie Lokier
2003-07-07 19:36                             ` 2.5.74-mm1 Jamie Lokier
2003-07-07 19:36                               ` 2.5.74-mm1 Jamie Lokier
2003-07-09 22:17                               ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-09 22:17                                 ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-09 22:24                                 ` 2.5.74-mm1 Jamie Lokier
2003-07-09 22:24                                   ` 2.5.74-mm1 Jamie Lokier
2003-07-09 22:29                                   ` 2.5.74-mm1 Davide Libenzi
2003-07-09 22:29                                     ` 2.5.74-mm1 Davide Libenzi
2003-07-09 23:15                                     ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-09 23:15                                       ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-09 23:19                                       ` 2.5.74-mm1 Jamie Lokier
2003-07-09 23:19                                         ` 2.5.74-mm1 Jamie Lokier
2003-07-09 22:59                                   ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-09 22:59                                     ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-10  2:01                                     ` 2.5.74-mm1 Peter Chubb
2003-07-10  2:01                                       ` 2.5.74-mm1 Peter Chubb
2003-07-11  1:04                                       ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-11  1:04                                         ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-11  1:08                                         ` 2.5.74-mm1 William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-11  1:08                                           ` 2.5.74-mm1 William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-11  5:44                                         ` 2.5.74-mm1 Davide Libenzi
2003-07-11  5:44                                           ` 2.5.74-mm1 Davide Libenzi
2003-07-11  8:07                                           ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-11  8:07                                             ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-07 15:28                         ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-07 15:28                           ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-07 17:58                           ` 2.5.74-mm1 Davide Libenzi
2003-07-07 17:58                             ` 2.5.74-mm1 Davide Libenzi
     [not found]                       ` <Pine.LNX.4.55.0307070745250.4428@bigblue.dev.mcafeelabs.co m>
2003-07-07 17:15                         ` 2.5.74-mm1 Mike Galbraith
2003-07-07 17:15                           ` 2.5.74-mm1 Mike Galbraith
2003-07-05 22:11         ` 2.5.74-mm1 Diego Calleja García
2003-07-05 23:31           ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-06  0:23             ` 2.5.74-mm1 Diego Calleja García
2003-07-06 22:59               ` 2.5.74-mm1 Jamie Lokier
2003-07-06  2:29           ` 2.5.74-mm1 Davide Libenzi
2003-07-06  0:10       ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-06  0:10         ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-06  0:10         ` 2.5.74-mm1 Davide Libenzi
2003-07-06  0:10           ` 2.5.74-mm1 Davide Libenzi
2003-07-05 19:40     ` 2.5.74-mm1 Diego Calleja García
2003-07-05 19:48       ` 2.5.74-mm1 Davide Libenzi
2003-07-05 21:22       ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-07 13:38 ` OOPS: 2.5.74-mm2 Maciej Soltysiak
2003-07-07 13:38   ` Maciej Soltysiak

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