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From: Daniel Phillips <phillips@arcor.de>
To: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: 2.5.74-mm1
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 04:14:34 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200307060414.34827.phillips@arcor.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030706012857.GA29544@mail.jlokier.co.uk>

On Sunday 06 July 2003 03:28, Jamie Lokier wrote:
> Daniel Phillips wrote:
> > What are you going to do if you have one
> > application you want to take priority, re-nice the other 50?
>
> Is that effective?  It might be just the trick.

Point.

> > > Something I've often thought would fix this is to allow normal users
> > > to set negative priority which is limited to using X% of the CPU -
> > > i.e. those tasks would have their priority raised if they spent more
> > > than a small proportion of their time using the CPU.
> >
> > That's essentially SCHED_RR.  As I mentioned above, it's not clear
> > to me why SCHED_RR requires superuser privilege, since the amount of
> > CPU you can burn that way is bounded.  Well, the total of all
> > SCHED_RR processes would need to be bounded as well, which is
> > straightforward.
>
> Your last point is most important.  At the moment, a SCHED_RR process
> with a bug will basically lock up the machine, which is totally
> inappropriate for a user app.

How does the lockup come about?  As defined, a single SCHED_RR process could 
lock up only its own slice of CPU, as far as I can see.

Regards,

Daniel


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From: Daniel Phillips <phillips@arcor.de>
To: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: 2.5.74-mm1
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 04:14:34 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200307060414.34827.phillips@arcor.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030706012857.GA29544@mail.jlokier.co.uk>

On Sunday 06 July 2003 03:28, Jamie Lokier wrote:
> Daniel Phillips wrote:
> > What are you going to do if you have one
> > application you want to take priority, re-nice the other 50?
>
> Is that effective?  It might be just the trick.

Point.

> > > Something I've often thought would fix this is to allow normal users
> > > to set negative priority which is limited to using X% of the CPU -
> > > i.e. those tasks would have their priority raised if they spent more
> > > than a small proportion of their time using the CPU.
> >
> > That's essentially SCHED_RR.  As I mentioned above, it's not clear
> > to me why SCHED_RR requires superuser privilege, since the amount of
> > CPU you can burn that way is bounded.  Well, the total of all
> > SCHED_RR processes would need to be bounded as well, which is
> > straightforward.
>
> Your last point is most important.  At the moment, a SCHED_RR process
> with a bug will basically lock up the machine, which is totally
> inappropriate for a user app.

How does the lockup come about?  As defined, a single SCHED_RR process could 
lock up only its own slice of CPU, as far as I can see.

Regards,

Daniel

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Thread overview: 234+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-07-03  9:37 2.5.74-mm1 Andrew Morton
2003-07-03  9:37 ` 2.5.74-mm1 Andrew Morton
2003-07-03 10:37 ` 2.5.74-mm1 Wiktor Wodecki
2003-07-03 11:06   ` 2.5.74-mm1 Russell King
2003-07-03 14:15     ` 2.5.74-mm1 Russell King
2003-07-03 16:05       ` 2.5.74-mm1 Patrick Mochel
2003-07-03 16:19         ` 2.5.74-mm1 Russell King
2003-07-03 16:24           ` 2.5.74-mm1 Patrick Mochel
2003-07-03 16:47       ` 2.5.74-mm1 Wiktor Wodecki
2003-07-03 18:43       ` 2.5.74-mm1 Serge Eric Thiam
2003-07-03 21:49       ` 2.5.74-mm1 Wiktor Wodecki
2003-07-03 21:53         ` 2.5.74-mm1 Russell King
2003-07-03 22:12           ` 2.5.74-mm1 Patrick Mochel
2003-07-03 22:14         ` 2.5.74-mm1 Russell King
2003-07-04  8:00           ` 2.5.74-mm1 Wiktor Wodecki
2003-07-03 11:27   ` pcmcia problem [was: Re: 2.5.74-mm1] Wiktor Wodecki
2003-07-03 10:45 ` 2.5.74-mm1 (p4-clockmod does not compile) Dumitru Ciobarcianu
2003-07-03 10:45   ` Dumitru Ciobarcianu
2003-07-03 11:07   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-03 11:07     ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-03 11:17     ` Dumitru Ciobarcianu
2003-07-03 11:17       ` Dumitru Ciobarcianu
2003-07-03 11:20       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-03 11:20         ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-03 11:32         ` 2.5.74-mm1 (p4-clockmod does not compile) PATCH Dumitru Ciobarcianu
2003-07-07  5:24         ` 2.5.74-mm1 (p4-clockmod does not compile) Zwane Mwaikambo
2003-07-07  5:24           ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2003-07-07  5:47           ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-07  5:47             ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-03 13:15 ` o1-interactivity.patch (was Re: 2.5.74-mm1) Sean Neakums
2003-07-03 13:15   ` Sean Neakums
2003-07-03 13:30   ` Con Kolivas
2003-07-03 13:30     ` Con Kolivas
2003-07-03 16:02 ` 2.5.74-mm1 Felipe Alfaro Solana
2003-07-03 16:02   ` 2.5.74-mm1 Felipe Alfaro Solana
2003-07-03 18:11 ` 2.5.74-mm1 Pasi Savolainen
2003-07-03 18:11   ` 2.5.74-mm1 Pasi Savolainen
2003-07-03 20:25 ` 2.5.74-mm1 William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-03 20:48   ` 2.5.74-mm1 William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04  8:55 ` 2.5.74-mm1 fails to boot due to APIC trouble, 2.5.73mm3 works Helge Hafting
2003-07-04  8:55   ` Helge Hafting
2003-07-04  8:53   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04  8:53     ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04  9:35   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04  9:35     ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04  9:50     ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04  9:50       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04 10:02       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04 10:02         ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04 10:07         ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04 10:07           ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04 11:12           ` Helge Hafting
2003-07-04 11:12             ` Helge Hafting
2003-07-04 11:10             ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04 11:10               ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04 12:50             ` Vincent Hanquez
2003-07-04 15:41       ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-07-04 15:41         ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-07-04 15:47         ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2003-07-04 15:47           ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2003-07-04 16:18           ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-07-04 16:18             ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-07-04 16:16             ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2003-07-04 16:16               ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2003-07-04 18:31             ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04 18:31               ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04 19:20               ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-07-04 19:20                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-07-04 19:31                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04 19:31                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04 19:53                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-07-04 19:53                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-07-04 20:17                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04 20:17                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04 18:32             ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04 18:32               ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04 18:36             ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04 18:36               ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04 18:29           ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04 18:29             ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04 18:26         ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04 18:26           ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04 19:38           ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-07-04 19:38             ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-07-04 20:07             ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04 20:07               ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04 20:37               ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-07-04 20:37                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-07-04 21:07 ` 2.5.74-mm1 William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04 21:07   ` 2.5.74-mm1 William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-05  1:15   ` 2.5.74-mm1 Andrew Morton
2003-07-05  1:15     ` 2.5.74-mm1 Andrew Morton
2003-07-05  5:21     ` 2.5.74-mm1 Anton Blanchard
2003-07-05  5:21       ` 2.5.74-mm1 Anton Blanchard
2003-07-05 11:18       ` 2.5.74-mm1 William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-05 11:18         ` 2.5.74-mm1 William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-05 11:46         ` 2.5.74-mm1 William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-05 11:46           ` 2.5.74-mm1 William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-05 10:44     ` 2.5.74-mm1 William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-05 10:44       ` 2.5.74-mm1 William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-05 18:43       ` 2.5.74-mm1 Andrew Morton
2003-07-05 18:43         ` 2.5.74-mm1 Andrew Morton
2003-07-05 21:17         ` 2.5.74-mm1 William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-05 21:17           ` 2.5.74-mm1 William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-05 21:27           ` 2.5.74-mm1 Andrew Morton
2003-07-05 21:27             ` 2.5.74-mm1 Andrew Morton
2003-07-05 22:03             ` 2.5.74-mm1 William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-05 22:03               ` 2.5.74-mm1 William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-05  0:16 ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-05  0:16   ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-05 15:28   ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-05 15:28     ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-05 16:01     ` 2.5.74-mm1 Con Kolivas
2003-07-05 16:01       ` 2.5.74-mm1 Con Kolivas
2003-07-05 17:47       ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-05 17:47         ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-06  3:41         ` 2.5.74-mm1 Con Kolivas
2003-07-06  3:41           ` 2.5.74-mm1 Con Kolivas
2003-07-06 18:50           ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-06 18:50             ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-05 19:14     ` 2.5.74-mm1 Andrew Morton
2003-07-05 19:14       ` 2.5.74-mm1 Andrew Morton
2003-07-05 21:09       ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-05 21:09         ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-05 21:44         ` 2.5.74-mm1 Jamie Lokier
2003-07-05 21:44           ` 2.5.74-mm1 Jamie Lokier
2003-07-05 22:10           ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-05 22:10             ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-06  1:28             ` 2.5.74-mm1 Jamie Lokier
2003-07-06  1:28               ` 2.5.74-mm1 Jamie Lokier
2003-07-06  2:14               ` Daniel Phillips [this message]
2003-07-06  2:14                 ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-06  2:21                 ` 2.5.74-mm1 Davide Libenzi
2003-07-06  2:21                   ` 2.5.74-mm1 Davide Libenzi
2003-07-06 13:54                   ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-06 13:54                     ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-07 10:00                 ` 2.5.74-mm1 Mel Gorman
2003-07-07 10:00                   ` 2.5.74-mm1 Mel Gorman
2003-07-07 12:24                   ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-07 12:24                     ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-07 13:09                     ` 2.5.74-mm1 Alex Riesen
2003-07-07 14:33                       ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-07 14:34                         ` 2.5.74-mm1 Alex Riesen
2003-07-07 13:16                     ` 2.5.74-mm1 Mel Gorman
2003-07-07 13:16                       ` 2.5.74-mm1 Mel Gorman
2003-07-07 14:47                       ` 2.5.74-mm1 Davide Libenzi
2003-07-07 14:47                         ` 2.5.74-mm1 Davide Libenzi
2003-07-07 15:23                         ` 2.5.74-mm1 Jamie Lokier
2003-07-07 15:23                           ` 2.5.74-mm1 Jamie Lokier
2003-07-07 17:25                           ` 2.5.74-mm1 Davide Libenzi
2003-07-07 17:25                             ` 2.5.74-mm1 Davide Libenzi
2003-07-07 17:55                             ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-07 17:55                               ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-07 18:36                               ` 2.5.74-mm1 Davide Libenzi
2003-07-07 18:36                                 ` 2.5.74-mm1 Davide Libenzi
2003-07-07 19:07                                 ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-07 19:07                                   ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-07 22:03                                   ` 2.5.74-mm1 Davide Libenzi
2003-07-08  0:13                                     ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-08  0:29                                       ` 2.5.74-mm1 Davide Libenzi
2003-07-08  1:07                                         ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-08  7:48                                           ` 2.5.74-mm1 Davide Libenzi
2003-07-08  9:18                                             ` 2.5.74-mm1 Nick Piggin
2003-07-08 15:24                                               ` 2.5.74-mm1 Davide Libenzi
2003-07-09  0:36                                                 ` 2.5.74-mm1 Nick Piggin
2003-07-08 11:09                                             ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-08 18:19                                               ` 2.5.74-mm1 Davide Libenzi
2003-07-08 19:12                                                 ` 2.5.74-mm1 Davide Libenzi
2003-07-07 19:39                                 ` 2.5.74-mm1 Jamie Lokier
2003-07-07 19:39                                   ` 2.5.74-mm1 Jamie Lokier
2003-07-07 19:36                             ` 2.5.74-mm1 Jamie Lokier
2003-07-07 19:36                               ` 2.5.74-mm1 Jamie Lokier
2003-07-09 22:17                               ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-09 22:17                                 ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-09 22:24                                 ` 2.5.74-mm1 Jamie Lokier
2003-07-09 22:24                                   ` 2.5.74-mm1 Jamie Lokier
2003-07-09 22:29                                   ` 2.5.74-mm1 Davide Libenzi
2003-07-09 22:29                                     ` 2.5.74-mm1 Davide Libenzi
2003-07-09 23:15                                     ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-09 23:15                                       ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-09 23:19                                       ` 2.5.74-mm1 Jamie Lokier
2003-07-09 23:19                                         ` 2.5.74-mm1 Jamie Lokier
2003-07-09 22:59                                   ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-09 22:59                                     ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-10  2:01                                     ` 2.5.74-mm1 Peter Chubb
2003-07-10  2:01                                       ` 2.5.74-mm1 Peter Chubb
2003-07-11  1:04                                       ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-11  1:04                                         ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-11  1:08                                         ` 2.5.74-mm1 William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-11  1:08                                           ` 2.5.74-mm1 William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-11  5:44                                         ` 2.5.74-mm1 Davide Libenzi
2003-07-11  5:44                                           ` 2.5.74-mm1 Davide Libenzi
2003-07-11  8:07                                           ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-11  8:07                                             ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-07 15:28                         ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-07 15:28                           ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-07 17:58                           ` 2.5.74-mm1 Davide Libenzi
2003-07-07 17:58                             ` 2.5.74-mm1 Davide Libenzi
     [not found]                       ` <Pine.LNX.4.55.0307070745250.4428@bigblue.dev.mcafeelabs.co m>
2003-07-07 17:15                         ` 2.5.74-mm1 Mike Galbraith
2003-07-07 17:15                           ` 2.5.74-mm1 Mike Galbraith
2003-07-05 22:11         ` 2.5.74-mm1 Diego Calleja García
2003-07-05 23:31           ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-06  0:23             ` 2.5.74-mm1 Diego Calleja García
2003-07-06 22:59               ` 2.5.74-mm1 Jamie Lokier
2003-07-06  2:29           ` 2.5.74-mm1 Davide Libenzi
2003-07-06  0:10       ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-06  0:10         ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-06  0:10         ` 2.5.74-mm1 Davide Libenzi
2003-07-06  0:10           ` 2.5.74-mm1 Davide Libenzi
2003-07-05 19:40     ` 2.5.74-mm1 Diego Calleja García
2003-07-05 19:48       ` 2.5.74-mm1 Davide Libenzi
2003-07-05 21:22       ` 2.5.74-mm1 Daniel Phillips
2003-07-07 13:38 ` OOPS: 2.5.74-mm2 Maciej Soltysiak
2003-07-07 13:38   ` Maciej Soltysiak
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-07-03 10:39 2.5.74-mm1 Boszormenyi Zoltan
2003-07-03 13:09 ` 2.5.74-mm1 Boszormenyi Zoltan
2003-07-03 19:22   ` 2.5.74-mm1 Andrew Morton
2003-07-03 20:08     ` 2.5.74-mm1 Helge Hafting
2003-07-03 21:15       ` 2.5.74-mm1 Andrew Morton
2003-07-04  5:53         ` 2.5.74-mm1 William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04  7:12           ` 2.5.74-mm1 Boszormenyi Zoltan
2003-07-04  7:16             ` 2.5.74-mm1 Zwane Mwaikambo
2003-07-04  7:15           ` 2.5.74-mm1 Zwane Mwaikambo
2003-07-04  7:50             ` 2.5.74-mm1 Zwane Mwaikambo
2003-07-04  8:27             ` 2.5.74-mm1 Andrew Morton
2003-07-04  8:37               ` 2.5.74-mm1 Zwane Mwaikambo
2003-07-04  8:56                 ` 2.5.74-mm1 Andrew Morton
2003-07-04  8:57                   ` 2.5.74-mm1 William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04  8:52               ` 2.5.74-mm1 William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-04 20:00         ` 2.5.74-mm1 Helge Hafting
2003-07-04 20:08           ` 2.5.74-mm1 William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-03 22:26       ` 2.5.74-mm1 William Lee Irwin III
2003-07-03 23:01         ` 2.5.74-mm1 Zwane Mwaikambo
2003-07-03 23:16     ` 2.5.74-mm1 William Lee Irwin III

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