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From: Rogier Wolff <R.E.Wolff@BitWizard.nl>
To: Hans Reiser <reiser@namesys.com>
Cc: John Bradford <john@grabjohn.com>,
	Rogier Wolff <R.E.Wolff@BitWizard.nl>,
	Wes Janzen <superchkn@sbcglobal.net>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Why are bad disk sectors numbered strangely, and what happens to them?
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:46:30 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20031014094629.GA16683@bitwizard.nl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3F8BB7AE.2040507@namesys.com>

On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 12:45:34PM +0400, Hans Reiser wrote:
> Perhaps we should tell people to first write to the bad block, and only 
> if the block remains bad after triggering the remapping by writing to it 
> should you make any effort to get the filesystem to remap it for you.  
> What do you think?
> 
> Rogier has not indicated that he has tried writing to the bad sector, 
> has he?

Hans, 

I simply refuse to try to trigger a remapping by writing to the
sector. A couple of things can happen:

1) The write succeeds on the "bad" spot. The "normal" write doesn't
do a "veriy-after-write", so the write might simply be succeeding, 
resulting in an immediate data-loss (which might be masked if I try
to reread the data from userspace bacause the data is still cached!)

2) the realloc might succeed, hiding the fact that my drive just lost
0.5k bytes of my data. I mean, there was SOME data there. Linux
wouldn't try to be reading it if it had never been written, right?  A
drive that refers my data to /dev/null should be diverted there
itself.

Of course, I left my drive that indicated it had problems (i.e. it
didn't spot the sector going bad before it became unreadable), in the
machine for another two days. It's getting replaced ASAP (i.e. the
next hour or so).

The bad sector developed in a backup of data that is still running
hapilly on another machine. But I'm not risking a sector getting
assigned some important data going bad next time I notice something.

			Roger. 

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  reply	other threads:[~2003-10-14  9:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-10-13  9:31 Why are bad disk sectors numbered strangely, and what happens to them? Norman Diamond
     [not found] ` <200310131014.h9DAEwY3000241@81-2-122-30.bradfords.org.uk>
2003-10-13 10:24   ` Norman Diamond
2003-10-13 10:33     ` John Bradford
2003-10-13 11:30       ` Norman Diamond
2003-10-13 11:58         ` Maciej Zenczykowski
2003-10-15 10:22           ` Norman Diamond
2003-10-13 12:02         ` John Bradford
2003-10-15 10:23           ` Norman Diamond
2003-10-15 18:56             ` Pavel Machek
2003-10-14  6:54         ` Rogier Wolff
2003-10-13 14:24     ` Chuck Campbell
2003-10-13 14:54       ` Maciej Zenczykowski
2003-10-13 16:29         ` Roger Larsson
2003-10-14  6:49     ` Rogier Wolff
2003-10-14  7:05       ` Wes Janzen
2003-10-14  7:21         ` John Bradford
2003-10-14  7:40           ` Rogier Wolff
2003-10-14  8:11             ` John Bradford
2003-10-14  8:45               ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-14  9:46                 ` Rogier Wolff [this message]
2003-10-14  9:57                   ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-14 10:10                     ` Rogier Wolff
2003-10-14 10:31                       ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-14 10:19                 ` John Bradford
     [not found]             ` <200310140800.h9E80BT9000815@81-2-122-30.bradfords.org.uk>
     [not found]               ` <20031014081110.GA14418@bitwizard.nl>
2003-10-14  8:55                 ` Wes Janzen
2003-10-14 10:05                   ` Rogier Wolff
2003-10-14  7:24         ` Rogier Wolff
2003-10-14  9:04         ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-15 10:23           ` Norman Diamond
2003-10-15 10:39             ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-17  9:40           ` Blockbusting news, this is important (Re: Why are bad disk sectors numbered strangely, and what happens to them?) Norman Diamond
2003-10-17  9:48             ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-17 11:11               ` Norman Diamond
2003-10-17 11:45                 ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-17 11:51                 ` John Bradford
2003-10-17 12:53                 ` John Bradford
2003-10-17 13:03                   ` Russell King
2003-10-17 13:26                     ` John Bradford
2003-10-19  7:50                   ` Andre Hedrick
2003-10-17 13:04                 ` Russell King
2003-10-17 14:09                   ` Norman Diamond
2003-10-17  9:58             ` Pavel Machek
2003-10-17 10:15               ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-17 10:24             ` Rogier Wolff
2003-10-17 10:49               ` John Bradford
2003-10-17 11:09                 ` Rogier Wolff
2003-10-17 11:24                 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2003-10-17 19:35                   ` John Bradford
2003-10-17 23:28                     ` Krzysztof Halasa
2003-10-18  7:42                       ` Pavel Machek
2003-10-18  8:30                         ` John Bradford
2003-10-21 20:26                           ` bill davidsen
2003-10-18  8:27                       ` John Bradford
2003-10-18 12:02                         ` Krzysztof Halasa
2003-10-18 16:26                           ` Nuno Silva
2003-10-18 20:16                             ` Krzysztof Halasa
     [not found]                     ` <m37k33igui.fsf@defiant. <m3u166vjn0.fsf@defiant.pm.waw.pl>
2003-10-21 20:39                       ` bill davidsen
2003-10-17 10:37             ` ATA Defect management John Bradford
2003-10-21 20:44               ` bill davidsen
2003-10-17 12:08             ` Blockbusting news, this is important (Re: Why are bad disk sectors numbered strangely, and what happens to them?) Justin Cormack
2003-10-21 20:12             ` bill davidsen
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-10-12  8:25 Why are bad disk sectors numbered strangely, and what happens to them? Norman Diamond
2003-10-11  9:00 Norman Diamond
2003-10-11  9:39 ` Andreas Jellinghaus

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