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From: Rogier Wolff <R.E.Wolff@BitWizard.nl>
To: Norman Diamond <ndiamond@wta.att.ne.jp>
Cc: Hans Reiser <reiser@namesys.com>,
	Wes Janzen <superchkn@sbcglobal.net>,
	Rogier Wolff <R.E.Wolff@BitWizard.nl>,
	John Bradford <john@grabjohn.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, nikita@namesys.com,
	Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
Subject: Re: Blockbusting news, this is important (Re: Why are bad disk sectors numbered strangely, and what happens to them?)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 12:24:36 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20031017102436.GB10185@bitwizard.nl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <11bf01c39492$bc5307c0$3eee4ca5@DIAMONDLX60>

On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 06:40:01PM +0900, Norman Diamond wrote:
> I explained to them why the LBA sector number should still get
> reallocated even though the data are lost.

This is unbelievably bad: Sometimes it is worth it, to try and read
the block again and again. We've seen blocks getting read after we've
retried over 1000 times from "userspace". That doesn't include the
retries that the drive did for us "behind the scenes". 

If you manage to convince Toshiba to remap the sector on a "bad read",
we'll never ever be able to recover the sector.

We've also been able to provide a different environment (e.g. other
ambient temperature) to a drive so that previously bad sectors could
be read.

No, the only way is to realloc on write. (but it should remember that
the data was bad, and treat the physical area with extra caution. It's
possible that something happened while writing that sector, so that
rewriting it this time will fix the problem for good, but on the other
hand, that area of the drive demonstrated the abilitty to lose data,
so you shouldn't trust any data to it!)

			Roger. 

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-10-17 10:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-10-13  9:31 Why are bad disk sectors numbered strangely, and what happens to them? Norman Diamond
     [not found] ` <200310131014.h9DAEwY3000241@81-2-122-30.bradfords.org.uk>
2003-10-13 10:24   ` Norman Diamond
2003-10-13 10:33     ` John Bradford
2003-10-13 11:30       ` Norman Diamond
2003-10-13 11:58         ` Maciej Zenczykowski
2003-10-15 10:22           ` Norman Diamond
2003-10-13 12:02         ` John Bradford
2003-10-15 10:23           ` Norman Diamond
2003-10-15 18:56             ` Pavel Machek
2003-10-14  6:54         ` Rogier Wolff
2003-10-13 14:24     ` Chuck Campbell
2003-10-13 14:54       ` Maciej Zenczykowski
2003-10-13 16:29         ` Roger Larsson
2003-10-14  6:49     ` Rogier Wolff
2003-10-14  7:05       ` Wes Janzen
2003-10-14  7:21         ` John Bradford
2003-10-14  7:40           ` Rogier Wolff
2003-10-14  8:11             ` John Bradford
2003-10-14  8:45               ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-14  9:46                 ` Rogier Wolff
2003-10-14  9:57                   ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-14 10:10                     ` Rogier Wolff
2003-10-14 10:31                       ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-14 10:19                 ` John Bradford
     [not found]             ` <200310140800.h9E80BT9000815@81-2-122-30.bradfords.org.uk>
     [not found]               ` <20031014081110.GA14418@bitwizard.nl>
2003-10-14  8:55                 ` Wes Janzen
2003-10-14 10:05                   ` Rogier Wolff
2003-10-14  7:24         ` Rogier Wolff
2003-10-14  9:04         ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-15 10:23           ` Norman Diamond
2003-10-15 10:39             ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-17  9:40           ` Blockbusting news, this is important (Re: Why are bad disk sectors numbered strangely, and what happens to them?) Norman Diamond
2003-10-17  9:48             ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-17 11:11               ` Norman Diamond
2003-10-17 11:45                 ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-17 11:51                 ` John Bradford
2003-10-17 12:53                 ` John Bradford
2003-10-17 13:03                   ` Russell King
2003-10-17 13:26                     ` John Bradford
2003-10-19  7:50                   ` Andre Hedrick
2003-10-17 13:04                 ` Russell King
2003-10-17 14:09                   ` Norman Diamond
2003-10-17  9:58             ` Pavel Machek
2003-10-17 10:15               ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-17 10:24             ` Rogier Wolff [this message]
2003-10-17 10:49               ` John Bradford
2003-10-17 11:09                 ` Rogier Wolff
2003-10-17 11:24                 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2003-10-17 19:35                   ` John Bradford
2003-10-17 23:28                     ` Krzysztof Halasa
2003-10-18  7:42                       ` Pavel Machek
2003-10-18  8:30                         ` John Bradford
2003-10-21 20:26                           ` bill davidsen
2003-10-18  8:27                       ` John Bradford
2003-10-18 12:02                         ` Krzysztof Halasa
2003-10-18 16:26                           ` Nuno Silva
2003-10-18 20:16                             ` Krzysztof Halasa
     [not found]                     ` <m37k33igui.fsf@defiant. <m3u166vjn0.fsf@defiant.pm.waw.pl>
2003-10-21 20:39                       ` bill davidsen
2003-10-17 10:37             ` ATA Defect management John Bradford
2003-10-21 20:44               ` bill davidsen
2003-10-17 12:08             ` Blockbusting news, this is important (Re: Why are bad disk sectors numbered strangely, and what happens to them?) Justin Cormack
2003-10-21 20:12             ` bill davidsen

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