From: Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@conectiva.com.br>
To: Ed Sweetman <ed.sweetman@wmich.edu>
Cc: Ionut Georgescu <george@physik.tu-cottbus.de>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 future
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 12:12:19 -0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20031202141219.GE13388@conectiva.com.br> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3FCC95BB.60205@wmich.edu>
Em Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 08:38:03AM -0500, Ed Sweetman escreveu:
> Ionut Georgescu wrote:
> >Because new hardware requires newest kernel, and neither I, nor the
> >majority of the users out there have the knowledge to 'forward' apply
> >patches.
> >
> >Even if 2.4 is phasing out, the process has just begun and it will last
> >a lot until 2.6 will be ready for production systems.
> >
> >We are not talking about a fancy, experimental feature. We are talking
> >about a mature, serious project, that has been traveling for 3 years
> >along the 2.4 kernel and with even more years of testing and research
> >behind. I find it just pitty for the linux kernel not to include it.
> >
> >When going to a conference, you don't present the brand new stuff you
> >have just computed or measured the night before, because you just can't
> >know if it is correct or not. Instead, you will present older, but
> >mature work, that you can swear on. The same with the 2.6 kernel.
> >Everybody is pushing it in front, but no one is using it for production
> >systems. XFS and 2.4 are, even together, old, mature work, that anybody
> >would 'present' anywhere.
> >
> >Regards,
> >Ionut
>
>
> The point was, the patch is perfectly and easily usable the way it is.
> There stands to be no reason to make it part of the vanilla kernel other
> than a very slight convenience factor for a small minority of users.
> Tosatti thinks that that versus changes to this stable kernel that touch
> common code are unacceptable. Despite the maturity of the project, it
> just doesn't make sense to include it in the vanilla kernel, it would be
> a disservice to the rest of the users of 2.4.x kernels that do so for
> stability, not only in the not crashing sense, but also in the code-base
> sense. And the number of users who don't use xfs so greatly outnumber
> the users that do that it's a mute point for Tosatti.
<humour>
Thanks for reading my mind and writing it down 8)
</humour>
- Arnaldo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2003-12-02 14:07 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2003-12-01 14:25 Linux 2.4 future Marcelo Tosatti
2003-12-01 15:04 ` Ian Kent
2003-12-01 15:33 ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-12-01 21:36 ` Peter C. Norton
2003-12-01 23:54 ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-12-02 1:11 ` Ian Kent
2003-12-02 20:13 ` Peter C. Norton
2003-12-02 20:10 ` Peter C. Norton
2003-12-02 20:18 ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-12-02 20:46 ` Peter C. Norton
2003-12-03 1:23 ` Ian Kent
2003-12-03 10:36 ` Matthias Andree
2003-12-03 14:49 ` Ian Kent
2003-12-03 15:00 ` Matthias Andree
2003-12-04 6:24 ` Ian Kent
2003-12-02 21:56 ` Bryan Whitehead
2003-12-02 8:17 ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-12-02 1:09 ` Ian Kent
2003-12-02 2:23 ` snpe
2003-12-02 6:39 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2003-12-02 18:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-12-02 18:45 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2003-12-02 19:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-12-02 19:13 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2003-12-02 19:39 ` Gene Heskett
2003-12-02 20:13 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-12-02 20:32 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-12-02 21:48 ` Gene Heskett
2003-12-02 21:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-12-03 2:36 ` Harald Arnesen
2003-12-03 9:21 ` Helge Hafting
2003-12-02 19:59 ` snpe
2003-12-02 22:30 ` Mike Fedyk
2003-12-02 22:43 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2003-12-03 14:08 ` snpe
2003-12-03 13:26 ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-12-02 8:18 ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-12-01 15:26 ` Norberto Bensa
2003-12-01 23:30 ` 2.6 security patches merged? was: " Mike Fedyk
2003-12-02 0:06 ` Chris Wright
2003-12-02 0:58 ` Måns Rullgård
2003-12-02 1:56 ` Chris Wright
2003-12-02 11:55 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2003-12-02 9:00 ` Matthias Andree
2003-12-02 11:54 ` Ionut Georgescu
2003-12-02 12:03 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2003-12-02 13:13 ` Ionut Georgescu
2003-12-02 13:38 ` Ed Sweetman
2003-12-02 14:12 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo [this message]
2003-12-02 16:01 ` Ionut Georgescu
2003-12-02 16:08 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-12-02 18:20 ` John Bradford
2003-12-02 20:19 ` Ville Herva
2003-12-02 21:40 ` Chris Wright
2003-12-02 20:09 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-12-02 20:24 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2003-12-02 20:45 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-12-02 21:03 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
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2003-12-02 20:21 ` Tomas Konir
2003-12-02 18:53 ` Mike Fedyk
2003-12-02 19:06 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-12-02 23:13 ` Jose Luis Domingo Lopez
2003-12-03 18:22 ` bill davidsen
2003-12-04 1:24 ` jw schultz
2003-12-04 1:47 ` Mike Fedyk
2003-12-04 3:45 ` Tim Connors
2003-12-04 5:41 ` Willy Tarreau
2003-12-05 0:14 ` jw schultz
2003-12-01 15:56 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2003-12-01 21:02 ` David S. Miller
2003-12-03 21:26 ` Jan Rychter
2003-12-03 20:51 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-12-03 21:14 ` Willy Tarreau
2003-12-05 15:33 ` John Jasen
2003-12-05 22:23 ` Mike Fedyk
2003-12-06 15:49 ` Max Valdez
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2003-12-01 22:46 Ralf Baechle
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