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From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>
To: Gene Heskett <gene.heskett@verizon.net>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>,
	Jan-Benedict Glaw <jbglaw@lug-owl.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 future
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 15:13:09 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20031202201309.GA17779@gtf.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200312021439.52933.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 02:39:52PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> the reasons behind the reasoning.  However, that doesn't help us pour 
> schmucks out here in la-la land trying to make the most recent nvidia 
> module work with the latest kernel on our now elderly gforce2's.  I'd 
> like to have some OpenGL support for instance, but for everything 
> else, nv is probably 100x more stable than the nvidia binary.  So we 
> run nv.  Maybe someday nvidia will get baptised, but *I'm* not 
> counting on it.
> 
> Its not your emails (as Linus) to nvidia that will fix that, but a 
> concerted effort, emailing them for a resolution from everyone who 
> owns one of their products _might_ eventually make a difference.
> OTOH, they're going to listen to their IP lawyers & not us. so...

Well, the easiest way to convince nVidia is to own someone else's
product, that does support Linux ;-)

Right now -- for the bleeding edge 3D hardware -- hardware makers
are across-the-board closed source AFAIK.  ATI used to be open source,
but their new "microcode JIT" stuff for the latest h/w isn't

Until a volume 3D h/w maker goes open source and gives Linux users a
market to buy into, it's pretty much closed source moving forward :(

	Jeff




  reply	other threads:[~2003-12-02 20:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-12-01 14:25 Linux 2.4 future Marcelo Tosatti
2003-12-01 15:04 ` Ian Kent
2003-12-01 15:33   ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-12-01 21:36     ` Peter C. Norton
2003-12-01 23:54       ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-12-02  1:11         ` Ian Kent
2003-12-02 20:13           ` Peter C. Norton
2003-12-02 20:10         ` Peter C. Norton
2003-12-02 20:18           ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-12-02 20:46             ` Peter C. Norton
2003-12-03  1:23               ` Ian Kent
2003-12-03 10:36                 ` Matthias Andree
2003-12-03 14:49                   ` Ian Kent
2003-12-03 15:00                     ` Matthias Andree
2003-12-04  6:24                       ` Ian Kent
2003-12-02 21:56             ` Bryan Whitehead
2003-12-02  8:17       ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-12-02  1:09     ` Ian Kent
2003-12-02  2:23     ` snpe
2003-12-02  6:39       ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2003-12-02 18:04         ` Linus Torvalds
2003-12-02 18:45           ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2003-12-02 19:09             ` Linus Torvalds
2003-12-02 19:13               ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2003-12-02 19:39               ` Gene Heskett
2003-12-02 20:13                 ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2003-12-02 20:32                 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-12-02 21:48                   ` Gene Heskett
2003-12-02 21:56                     ` Linus Torvalds
2003-12-03  2:36                       ` Harald Arnesen
2003-12-03  9:21                     ` Helge Hafting
2003-12-02 19:59           ` snpe
2003-12-02 22:30             ` Mike Fedyk
2003-12-02 22:43               ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2003-12-03 14:08                 ` snpe
2003-12-03 13:26                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-12-02  8:18       ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-12-01 15:26 ` Norberto Bensa
2003-12-01 23:30   ` 2.6 security patches merged? was: " Mike Fedyk
2003-12-02  0:06     ` Chris Wright
2003-12-02  0:58       ` Måns Rullgård
2003-12-02  1:56         ` Chris Wright
2003-12-02 11:55     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2003-12-02  9:00   ` Matthias Andree
2003-12-02 11:54   ` Ionut Georgescu
2003-12-02 12:03     ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2003-12-02 13:13       ` Ionut Georgescu
2003-12-02 13:38         ` Ed Sweetman
2003-12-02 14:12           ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2003-12-02 16:01           ` Ionut Georgescu
2003-12-02 16:08             ` Jeff Garzik
2003-12-02 18:20               ` John Bradford
2003-12-02 20:19               ` Ville Herva
2003-12-02 21:40                 ` Chris Wright
2003-12-02 20:09       ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-12-02 20:24         ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2003-12-02 20:45           ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-12-02 21:03             ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
     [not found]       ` <Pine.LNX.4.58.0312021402360.17892@moje.vabo.cz>
     [not found]         ` <20031202131512.GU13388@conectiva.com.br>
     [not found]           ` <Pine.LNX.4.58.0312021433360.8417@moje.vabo.cz>
     [not found]             ` <20031202135423.GB13388@conectiva.com.br>
2003-12-02 20:21               ` Tomas Konir
2003-12-02 18:53                 ` Mike Fedyk
2003-12-02 19:06                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-12-02 23:13                 ` Jose Luis Domingo Lopez
2003-12-03 18:22                 ` bill davidsen
2003-12-04  1:24                   ` jw schultz
2003-12-04  1:47                     ` Mike Fedyk
2003-12-04  3:45                       ` Tim Connors
2003-12-04  5:41                         ` Willy Tarreau
2003-12-05  0:14                       ` jw schultz
2003-12-01 15:56 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2003-12-01 21:02 ` David S. Miller
2003-12-03 21:26 ` Jan Rychter
2003-12-03 20:51   ` Jeff Garzik
2003-12-03 21:14   ` Willy Tarreau
2003-12-05 15:33   ` John Jasen
2003-12-05 22:23     ` Mike Fedyk
2003-12-06 15:49     ` Max Valdez
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-12-01 22:46 Ralf Baechle

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