* A humble request @ 2004-01-22 22:07 Zeeshan Ali 2004-01-22 23:54 ` John A. Sullivan III 2004-01-27 10:54 ` subject-prefixing of ml postings (was Re: A humble request) Harald Welte 0 siblings, 2 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Zeeshan Ali @ 2004-01-22 22:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: netfilter-devel Hello, Most of the mailing-lists that i have subscribed to, follow a tradition that make it quite easy to identify emails: they add a prefix at the beginning of each email's topic. Would'nt it be better if we do the same too. Bye. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: A humble request 2004-01-22 22:07 A humble request Zeeshan Ali @ 2004-01-22 23:54 ` John A. Sullivan III 2004-01-23 5:32 ` Nigel Kukard 2004-01-27 10:54 ` subject-prefixing of ml postings (was Re: A humble request) Harald Welte 1 sibling, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: John A. Sullivan III @ 2004-01-22 23:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Zeeshan Ali; +Cc: netfilter-devel I second that motion! > Hello, > Most of the mailing-lists that i have subscribed > to, follow a tradition that make it quite easy to > identify emails: they add a prefix at the beginning of > each email's topic. Would'nt it be better if we do the > same too. Bye. > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! > http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ > -- John A. Sullivan III Chief Technology Officer Nexus Management +1 207-985-7880 john.sullivan@nexusmgmt.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: A humble request 2004-01-22 23:54 ` John A. Sullivan III @ 2004-01-23 5:32 ` Nigel Kukard 2004-01-23 8:20 ` Martin Josefsson 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Nigel Kukard @ 2004-01-23 5:32 UTC (permalink / raw) To: John A. Sullivan III; +Cc: Zeeshan Ali, netfilter-devel [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 762 bytes --] I third that motion! On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 06:54:33PM -0500, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > I second that motion! > > > Hello, > > Most of the mailing-lists that i have subscribed > > to, follow a tradition that make it quite easy to > > identify emails: they add a prefix at the beginning of > > each email's topic. Would'nt it be better if we do the > > same too. Bye. > > > > > -- > John A. Sullivan III > Chief Technology Officer > Nexus Management > +1 207-985-7880 > john.sullivan@nexusmgmt.com > Nigel Kukard (Chief Executive Officer) Lando Technologies Africa (Pty) Ltd nigel@lando.co.za www.lando.co.za Tel: 083 399 5822 Fax: 086 1100036 Hoheisen Park Bellville, Cape Town National Internet Service Provider [-- Attachment #2: Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 189 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: A humble request 2004-01-23 5:32 ` Nigel Kukard @ 2004-01-23 8:20 ` Martin Josefsson 0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Martin Josefsson @ 2004-01-23 8:20 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Nigel Kukard; +Cc: John A. Sullivan III, Zeeshan Ali, netfilter-devel On Fri, 23 Jan 2004, Nigel Kukard wrote: > I third that motion! > > On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 06:54:33PM -0500, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > I second that motion! > > > > > Hello, > > > Most of the mailing-lists that i have subscribed > > > to, follow a tradition that make it quite easy to > > > identify emails: they add a prefix at the beginning of > > > each email's topic. Would'nt it be better if we do the > > > same too. Bye. Learn how to filter email into folders. /Martin ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* subject-prefixing of ml postings (was Re: A humble request) 2004-01-22 22:07 A humble request Zeeshan Ali 2004-01-22 23:54 ` John A. Sullivan III @ 2004-01-27 10:54 ` Harald Welte 2004-01-28 4:33 ` Kiran Kumar 2004-01-28 19:44 ` Zeeshan Ali 1 sibling, 2 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Harald Welte @ 2004-01-27 10:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Zeeshan Ali; +Cc: netfilter-devel [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2439 bytes --] On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 02:07:14PM -0800, Zeeshan Ali wrote: > Hello, > Most of the mailing-lists that i have subscribed > to, follow a tradition that make it quite easy to > identify emails: they add a prefix at the beginning of > each email's topic. Would'nt it be better if we do the > same too. Bye. This is mostly done on mailinglists for non-technical people. People who don't understand a) how the email system works b) how to use their email client As I can expect anybody involved with netfilter (even more with netfilter development) to not fit into any of those categories, I strongly oppose that proposal. Why? Because the netfilter/iptalbes lists (like any other reasonable mailinglists, at least all of the 100+ that I'm on) insert special headers that allow you to identify mailinglist postings without putting garbage into the subject line. List-Help: <mailto:netfilter-devel-request@lists.netfilter.org?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:netfilter-devel@lists.netfilter.org> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.netfilter.org/mailman/listinfo/netfilter-devel>, <mailto:netfilter-devel-request@lists.netfilter.org?subject=subscribe> List-Id: discussion about netfilter development <netfilter-devel.lists.netfilter.org> So you just configure your email reader or procmail or sieve or whatever your favourite filtering system is to match on the "List-ID" header. Even proprietary end-user oriented products like Outlook or Netscape Mail can do that... > Do you Yahoo!? No, despite their constant advertisement efforts. P.S.: I can also expect anybody who posts to this list to put _REASONABLE_ subject lines into their postings. A subject line where one could conclude the matter of the request, not just that it is some request. P.P.S.: Would anybody be willing to make a docbook-website XML document for our new homepage about 'how to use the netfilter/iptables mailinglists' with content like the above one? That would be really appreciated. -- - Harald Welte <laforge@netfilter.org> http://www.netfilter.org/ ============================================================================ "Fragmentation is like classful addressing -- an interesting early architectural error that shows how much experimentation was going on while IP was being designed." -- Paul Vixie [-- Attachment #2: Digital signature --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 189 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: subject-prefixing of ml postings (was Re: A humble request) 2004-01-27 10:54 ` subject-prefixing of ml postings (was Re: A humble request) Harald Welte @ 2004-01-28 4:33 ` Kiran Kumar 2004-01-28 4:54 ` Kiran Kumar 2004-01-28 19:44 ` Zeeshan Ali 1 sibling, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Kiran Kumar @ 2004-01-28 4:33 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Harald Welte, Zeeshan Ali; +Cc: netfilter-devel [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 645 bytes --] --- Harald Welte <laforge@netfilter.org> wrote: > P.P.S.: Would anybody be willing to make a > docbook-website XML document > for our new homepage about 'how to use the > netfilter/iptables > mailinglists' with content like the above one? That > would be really > appreciated. I have built up some content based on the rules of another list that I am on (most of which are, I guess, relevant here as well). The patch for the homepage module of cvs is attached. ===== Regards, Kiran Kumar Immidi __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ [-- Attachment #2: contact.patch --] [-- Type: application/octet-stream, Size: 4450 bytes --] diff -urN homepage/xml/contact.xml homepage.new/xml/contact.xml --- homepage/xml/contact.xml 2004-01-17 18:59:07.000000000 +0530 +++ homepage.new/xml/contact.xml 2004-01-28 09:58:18.266406080 +0530 @@ -25,6 +25,52 @@ you will minimize the burden on the project members, and thus minimize the potential delay until you will receive a reply to your inquiry. </para> +<section id="list-rules"> +<title>Netfilter list rules</title> +<para> +You are strongly advised to go through these set of rules before posting to any +of the netfilter lists. +</para> +<itemizedlist mark="bullet"> + +<title>List Rules</title> + +<listitem> +Subject Line <para>Make sure that your post contains a valid subject line containing a gist of your post rather than things like 'Help!!!' or even bad 'HELP ME PLEEEEEASE' </para> +</listitem> + +<listitem> +Top-posts <para>Do not "top-post" (reply to a message by adding text to the top of the message instead of below), as it loses the reader and the flow of the message and can annoy other readers. </para> +</listitem> + +<listitem> +Overquoting <para>If you are replying to another message, quote only the portions of that message that you are specifically responding to, and insert your comments after those quotes. Do not simply quote back the entire message! Trim off everything apart from the 2-3 most relevant lines of the original message.</para> + +<para>In general, your reply should contain at least as much text as the amount of text you are quoting, if not more. Never quote back dozens of lines of text and simply add a single line of text to the bottom - people will *hate* you for that!</para> +</listitem> + +<listitem> +HTML Messages <para>HTML is not email, and email doesn't contain HTML, so please turn HTML formatting OFF in your email client. Do not use italics, colors, bold, fonts, pictures, sounds, or other HTML elements. Providing HREF (link) elements is allowed. Please use only 7-bit text when sending email to the lists.</para> +</listitem> + +<listitem> +Message recycling <para>Do not start a New message or thread by hitting "Reply" in your mail client and changing the subject. When you do this, you mess up other participant's ability to read mail in a threaded fashion. When you mean to post a new message, use New, and when you want to reply to an existing message, hit Reply. </para> +</listitem> + +<listitem> +Pseudo-legal disclaimers <para>Do not attach obnoxious pseudo-legal, nonsensical disclaimers to your messages. People on open source lists do not like to be threatened with these. If your company insists on attaching such disclaimers to messages going out to mailing lists (where, by definition, the sender has *NO* control over who gets to see the message), then either use a webmail system, or just don't post.</para> +</listitem> + +<listitem> +Off-topic <para>Stay on-topic for the list. This isn't a good place to discuss automobiles, politics, music, or anything that is not related to Netfilter. Sometimes topics will diverge from the general discussion, but please try to keep it relevant to the list topic. Do not ask usage questions in the devel list, or vice versa</para> +</listitem> + +<listitem> +Message time and date <para>Please make sure the date and time on your computer is always current. When your date is set to something such as the year 2006, messages posted by you will get sorted based on that date, which may put them outside of the related month or year they belong in.</para> +</listitem> + +</itemizedlist> + <section id="ml-announce"> <title>The netfilter-announce mailinglist</title> <para> diff -urN homepage/xml/layout.xml homepage.new/xml/layout.xml --- homepage/xml/layout.xml 2004-01-10 03:41:52.000000000 +0530 +++ homepage.new/xml/layout.xml 2004-01-28 09:57:09.691831000 +0530 @@ -111,6 +111,10 @@ <tocentry page="security/2003-08-01-nat-sack.xml" filename="2003-08-01-nat-sack.html"/> </tocentry> <tocentry page="contact.xml" filename="contact.html"> + <tocentry id="list-rules" href="/contact.html#list-rules"> + <title>The netfilter mailinglist rules</title> + <titleabbrev>List Rules</titleabbrev> + </tocentry> <tocentry id="toc-contact-ml-announce" href="/contact.html#ml-announce"> <title>The netfilter announce mailinglist</title> <titleabbrev>netfilter-announce list</titleabbrev> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: subject-prefixing of ml postings (was Re: A humble request) 2004-01-28 4:33 ` Kiran Kumar @ 2004-01-28 4:54 ` Kiran Kumar 2004-01-28 8:31 ` Harald Welte 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Kiran Kumar @ 2004-01-28 4:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Harald Welte, Zeeshan Ali; +Cc: netfilter-devel [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 487 bytes --] --- Kiran Kumar <immidi_kiran@yahoo.com> wrote: > I have built up some content based on the rules of > another list that I am on (most of which are, I > guess, > relevant here as well). The patch for the homepage > module of cvs is attached. Sorry, seems the previous one had a problem.. resending it. ===== Regards, Kiran Kumar Immidi __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ [-- Attachment #2: contact.patch --] [-- Type: application/octet-stream, Size: 4366 bytes --] diff -urN homepage/xml/contact.xml homepage.new/xml/contact.xml --- homepage/xml/contact.xml 2004-01-17 18:59:07.000000000 +0530 +++ homepage.new/xml/contact.xml 2004-01-28 10:18:32.526810440 +0530 @@ -25,6 +25,54 @@ you will minimize the burden on the project members, and thus minimize the potential delay until you will receive a reply to your inquiry. </para> +<section id="list-rules"> +<title>Netfilter list rules</title> +<para> +You are strongly advised to go through these set of rules before posting to any +of the netfilter lists. +</para> +<itemizedlist mark="bullet"> + +<title>List Rules</title> + +<listitem> +Subject Line <para>Make sure that your post contains a valid subject line containing a gist of your post rather than things like 'Help!!!' or even bad 'HELP ME PLEEEEEASE' </para> +</listitem> + +<listitem> +Top-posts <para>Do not "top-post" (reply to a message by adding text to the top of the message instead of below), as it loses the reader and the flow of the message and can annoy other readers. </para> +</listitem> + +<listitem> +Overquoting <para>If you are replying to another message, quote only the portions of that message that you are specifically responding to, and insert your comments after those quotes. Do not simply quote back the entire message! Trim off everything apart from the 2-3 most relevant lines of the original message.</para> + +<para>In general, your reply should contain at least as much text as the amount of text you are quoting, if not more. Never quote back dozens of lines of text and simply add a single line of text to the bottom - people will *hate* you for that!</para> +</listitem> + +<listitem> +HTML Messages <para>HTML is not email, and email doesn't contain HTML, so please turn HTML formatting OFF in your email client. Do not use italics, colors, bold, fonts, pictures, sounds, or other HTML elements. Providing HREF (link) elements is allowed. Please use only 7-bit text when sending email to the lists.</para> +</listitem> + +<listitem> +Message recycling <para>Do not start a New message or thread by hitting "Reply" in your mail client and changing the subject. When you do this, you mess up other participant's ability to read mail in a threaded fashion. When you mean to post a new message, use New, and when you want to reply to an existing message, hit Reply. </para> +</listitem> + +<listitem> +Pseudo-legal disclaimers <para>Do not attach obnoxious pseudo-legal, nonsensical disclaimers to your messages. People on open source lists do not like to be threatened with these. If your company insists on attaching such disclaimers to messages going out to mailing lists (where, by definition, the sender has *NO* control over who gets to see the message), then either use a webmail system, or just don't post.</para> +</listitem> + +<listitem> +Off-topic <para>Stay on-topic for the list. This isn't a good place to discuss automobiles, politics, music, or anything that is not related to Netfilter. Sometimes topics will diverge from the general discussion, but please try to keep it relevant to the list topic. Do not ask usage questions in the devel list, or vice versa</para> +</listitem> + +<listitem> +Message time and date <para>Please make sure the date and time on your computer is always current. When your date is set to something such as the year 2006, messages posted by you will get sorted based on that date, which may put them outside of the related month or year they belong in.</para> +</listitem> + +</itemizedlist> + +</section> + <section id="ml-announce"> <title>The netfilter-announce mailinglist</title> <para> diff -urN homepage/xml/layout.xml homepage.new/xml/layout.xml --- homepage/xml/layout.xml 2004-01-10 03:41:52.000000000 +0530 +++ homepage.new/xml/layout.xml 2004-01-28 10:18:32.527810288 +0530 @@ -111,6 +111,10 @@ <tocentry page="security/2003-08-01-nat-sack.xml" filename="2003-08-01-nat-sack.html"/> </tocentry> <tocentry page="contact.xml" filename="contact.html"> + <tocentry id="list-rules" href="/contact.html#list-rules"> + <title>The netfilter mailinglist rules</title> + <titleabbrev>List Rules</titleabbrev> + </tocentry> <tocentry id="toc-contact-ml-announce" href="/contact.html#ml-announce"> <title>The netfilter announce mailinglist</title> <titleabbrev>netfilter-announce list</titleabbrev> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: subject-prefixing of ml postings (was Re: A humble request) 2004-01-28 4:54 ` Kiran Kumar @ 2004-01-28 8:31 ` Harald Welte 0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Harald Welte @ 2004-01-28 8:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Kiran Kumar; +Cc: Zeeshan Ali, netfilter-devel [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1152 bytes --] On Tue, Jan 27, 2004 at 08:54:09PM -0800, Kiran Kumar wrote: > --- Kiran Kumar <immidi_kiran@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > I have built up some content based on the rules of > > another list that I am on (most of which are, I > > guess, > > relevant here as well). The patch for the homepage > > module of cvs is attached. > > Sorry, seems the previous one had a problem.. > resending it. thanks a lot, I've committed your change to CVS and will update the homepage shortly. Have you been progressing with some of the other proposed work (either homepage-related, or netfilter-related), or are you waiting for me making a concrete assignment? I really don't want to lose your offer for help just because of some misunderstanding. > Kiran Kumar Immidi -- - Harald Welte <laforge@netfilter.org> http://www.netfilter.org/ ============================================================================ "Fragmentation is like classful addressing -- an interesting early architectural error that shows how much experimentation was going on while IP was being designed." -- Paul Vixie [-- Attachment #2: Digital signature --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 189 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: subject-prefixing of ml postings (was Re: A humble request) 2004-01-27 10:54 ` subject-prefixing of ml postings (was Re: A humble request) Harald Welte 2004-01-28 4:33 ` Kiran Kumar @ 2004-01-28 19:44 ` Zeeshan Ali 2004-01-29 3:32 ` Kiran Kumar 1 sibling, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Zeeshan Ali @ 2004-01-28 19:44 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Harald Welte; +Cc: netfilter-devel Hello, --- Harald Welte <laforge@netfilter.org> wrote: > This is mostly done on mailinglists for > non-technical people. People > who don't understand > > a) how the email system works > b) how to use their email client If the relationship between these points is of AND and not of OR then (1) you are supposing here that everyone would be using email clients which is'nt true, atleat it is not true for me (as i use web-based yahoo email). (2) The mailing-list is meant for expert programmers or other technical people but not for experts on email-clients, is it? Thank you for concidering my request. Regards. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: subject-prefixing of ml postings (was Re: A humble request) 2004-01-28 19:44 ` Zeeshan Ali @ 2004-01-29 3:32 ` Kiran Kumar 0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Kiran Kumar @ 2004-01-29 3:32 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Zeeshan Ali; +Cc: netfilter-devel --- Zeeshan Ali <zeelists@yahoo.com> wrote: > (1) you are supposing here that everyone would be > using email clients which is'nt true, atleat it is > not > true for me (as i use web-based yahoo email). Yahoo provides filters, which is what I use. ===== Regards, Kiran Kumar Immidi __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
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