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From: Jens Axboe <axboe@suse.de>
To: Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz <B.Zolnierkiewicz@elka.pw.edu.pl>
Cc: Chris Mason <mason@suse.com>, Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>,
	Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] barrier patch set
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 10:43:25 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040321094324.GC1627@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200403202116.57949.bzolnier@elka.pw.edu.pl>

On Sat, Mar 20 2004, Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz wrote:
> On Saturday 20 of March 2004 18:10, Chris Mason wrote:
> > On Sat, 2004-03-20 at 12:05, Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz wrote:
> > > On Saturday 20 of March 2004 17:32, Chris Mason wrote:
> > > > On Sat, 2004-03-20 at 11:23, Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz wrote:
> > > > > > > - why are we doing pre-flush?
> > > >
> > > > The journaled filesystems need this.  We need to make sure that before
> > > > we write the commit block for a transaction, all the previous log
> > > > blocks we're written are safely on media.  Then we also need to make
> > > > sure the commit block is on media.
> > >
> > > For low-level driver it shouldn't really matter whether sectors to be
> > > written are the commit block for a transaction or the previous log blocks
> > > and in the current implementation it does matter.
> >
> > As Jens said, it depends on how you define barrier ;-)  I define it as
> > this io will be written after all the previous io and before any later
> > io.   It was originally written with scsi tags in mind as well, the FS
> > side was the same for both.
> 
> Yes, thanks for explaining this.
> 
> I took a quick look at fs/jbd/ and now I think I understand the way barriers
> currently work.  I assume that SCSI handles barriers by ordered tags, right?

That's the idea, yes. Needs some SCSI error handling work though, to
always ensure correct ordering.

-- 
Jens Axboe


  reply	other threads:[~2004-03-21  9:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-03-19 15:35 [PATCH] barrier patch set Jens Axboe
2004-03-19 16:30 ` Mika Penttilä
2004-03-19 18:16   ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-19 18:44     ` Mika Penttilä
2004-03-20  9:55       ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-19 16:34 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-19 18:19   ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-19 23:01   ` Matthias Andree
2004-03-20  0:02     ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-20  1:48       ` Johannes Stezenbach
2004-03-20  2:13         ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-20  2:53           ` Johannes Stezenbach
2004-03-20 16:03             ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-20 11:36           ` Matthias Andree
2004-03-20 16:00             ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-20 23:36               ` Johannes Stezenbach
2004-03-21  1:33                 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-20 18:52       ` Helge Hafting
2004-03-22 11:15         ` Matthias Andree
2004-03-19 23:59   ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-20  0:14     ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-20  0:40       ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-20  0:42         ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-20  1:24           ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-20  9:58             ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-20 10:12               ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-20 10:19                 ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-20 10:37                   ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-20 16:30                     ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-21 18:12                       ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-20 10:21             ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-20 15:54               ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-20  0:17     ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-20  9:53     ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-20 16:23       ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-20 16:27         ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-20 16:32         ` Chris Mason
2004-03-20 17:05           ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-20 17:10             ` Chris Mason
2004-03-20 20:16               ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-21  9:43                 ` Jens Axboe [this message]
2004-03-30 16:04             ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2004-03-30 19:19               ` Chris Mason
2004-03-30 21:50                 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2004-03-30 22:13                   ` Chris Mason
2004-03-31 14:03                     ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2004-03-31 14:27                       ` Chris Mason
2004-03-31 18:28                         ` Ric Wheeler
2004-03-30 22:21                   ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-30 22:36                     ` Chris Wedgwood
2004-03-30 22:39                       ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-30 22:41                         ` Chris Wedgwood
2004-03-30 22:40                     ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-30 22:38                       ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-31 14:08                     ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2004-03-31 14:21                       ` Chris Mason
2004-03-31 21:26                         ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-31 22:09                           ` Chris Mason
2004-03-31 21:27                       ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-19 16:48 ` Marc-Christian Petersen
2004-03-19 18:19   ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-22 11:09 ` Andrew Morton
2004-03-22 11:10   ` Jens Axboe

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