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From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>
To: Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz <B.Zolnierkiewicz@elka.pw.edu.pl>
Cc: Jens Axboe <axboe@suse.de>,
	Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Chris Mason <mason@suse.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] barrier patch set
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 19:14:53 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <405B8CFD.2030909@pobox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200403200059.22234.bzolnier@elka.pw.edu.pl>

Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz wrote:
> The fact that spec says "supported" not "enabled" in description of word86
> makes me wonder - can they be disabled? (FLUSH CACHE is mandatory for General
> feature set and FLUSH CACHE EXT is mandatory if 48-bit LBA is supported)

Yes, that's why there are separate 'supported' and 'enabled' bits for 
each feature.

Words 82-84 are 'supported' bits.  Words 85-87 are 'enabled' bits. 
These bits mirror each other, i.e. Word 83 and Word 86 have basically 
the same bits, except that Word 86 definitions change _slightly_ since 
the only bits that are relevant are the ones for features that can be 
disabled/enabled.

You use set-features command to enable and disable these features, and 
then the result shows up in subsequent identify-device command output.

If the driver is testing for a capability but does not enable it, then 
always use the 'enabled' set of bits, not the 'supported' set of bits.


> Jeff, please note that these bits were introduced by ATA-6 spec
> and take a look at ATA-5 spec:
> 
> ...
> FLUSH CACHE
> General feature set
> - Mandatory for all devices
> ...
> 
> and ATA-4 spec:
> 
> ...
> FLUSH CACHE
> General feature set
> - Optional for all devices
> ...
> 
> IMO to test if FLUSH CACHE works we should just issue it during disk setup
> and check result.  This way we can use FLUSH CACHE also on < ATA-6 devices
> (there is a lot of them).

I disagree.  "just issue it" is how those LG cdrom drives got cooked.

LG cdrom drives indicated in their identify-packet-device page that 
flush-cache was not supported...  and then re-used the flush-cache ATA 
opcode for their vendor-specific download-firmware command.  Combine 
that with a Linux patch that didn't properly check for flush-cache 
support.  Result: brick.

All drives that support flush-cache list the relevant bits in 
identify-device, even on pre-ATA-6 devices.  Whether the feature was 
optional or mandantory, we can check the feature bits.

	Jeff




  reply	other threads:[~2004-03-20  0:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-03-19 15:35 [PATCH] barrier patch set Jens Axboe
2004-03-19 16:30 ` Mika Penttilä
2004-03-19 18:16   ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-19 18:44     ` Mika Penttilä
2004-03-20  9:55       ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-19 16:34 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-19 18:19   ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-19 23:01   ` Matthias Andree
2004-03-20  0:02     ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-20  1:48       ` Johannes Stezenbach
2004-03-20  2:13         ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-20  2:53           ` Johannes Stezenbach
2004-03-20 16:03             ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-20 11:36           ` Matthias Andree
2004-03-20 16:00             ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-20 23:36               ` Johannes Stezenbach
2004-03-21  1:33                 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-20 18:52       ` Helge Hafting
2004-03-22 11:15         ` Matthias Andree
2004-03-19 23:59   ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-20  0:14     ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2004-03-20  0:40       ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-20  0:42         ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-20  1:24           ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-20  9:58             ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-20 10:12               ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-20 10:19                 ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-20 10:37                   ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-20 16:30                     ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-21 18:12                       ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-20 10:21             ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-20 15:54               ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-20  0:17     ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-20  9:53     ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-20 16:23       ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-20 16:27         ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-20 16:32         ` Chris Mason
2004-03-20 17:05           ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-20 17:10             ` Chris Mason
2004-03-20 20:16               ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-21  9:43                 ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-30 16:04             ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2004-03-30 19:19               ` Chris Mason
2004-03-30 21:50                 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2004-03-30 22:13                   ` Chris Mason
2004-03-31 14:03                     ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2004-03-31 14:27                       ` Chris Mason
2004-03-31 18:28                         ` Ric Wheeler
2004-03-30 22:21                   ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-30 22:36                     ` Chris Wedgwood
2004-03-30 22:39                       ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-30 22:41                         ` Chris Wedgwood
2004-03-30 22:40                     ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-30 22:38                       ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-31 14:08                     ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2004-03-31 14:21                       ` Chris Mason
2004-03-31 21:26                         ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-31 22:09                           ` Chris Mason
2004-03-31 21:27                       ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-19 16:48 ` Marc-Christian Petersen
2004-03-19 18:19   ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-22 11:09 ` Andrew Morton
2004-03-22 11:10   ` Jens Axboe

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