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From: Otto Solares <solca@guug.org>
To: "Michel Dänzer" <michel@daenzer.net>
Cc: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Linux Frame Buffer Device Development
	<linux-fbdev-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] neofb patches
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:52:01 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040429175201.GA26608@guug.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1083243672.18413.148.camel@thor.asgaard.local>

On Thu, Apr 29, 2004 at 03:01:13PM +0200, Michel Dänzer wrote:
> On Thu, 2004-04-29 at 03:07, Otto Solares wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 29, 2004 at 12:26:41AM +0200, Michel Dänzer wrote:
> > 
> > > A small low-level driver could handle this, which both the framebuffer
> > > device and the DRM use. Linus has proposed this approach, and I must say
> > > I like it.
> > 
> > That should be fbdev without fbcon.
> 
> I'm not sure that works: keep in mind that the DRM works on other OSs
> than Linux, and even on Linux some people may want to use the DRM
> without a framebuffer device. Neither should be a problem with a minimal
> base driver which does nothing more than hardware resource management
> and arbitration.

Differents OSs have differents sources for DRM kernel side so
that's not a problem nor will affect others OSs than linux.

I would like to see fbdev becoming the defacto standard for
graphics management in linux but:

1. It must mature and be modernized a lot to be accepted as such.
2. People tend to not agree.

So I see the current DRM/FBDEV/X cooperative schema for the foreseeable
future.

Yes, a minimal driver would do the work _NOW_.  I just think
that for the long term a solution like fbdev with asteroids
is needed to standarize graphics management in linux.

-otto



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  reply	other threads:[~2004-04-29 17:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-04-21  1:14 [PATCH] neofb patches Alex Stewart
2004-04-21 17:47 ` James Simmons
2004-04-21 19:10   ` Antonino A. Daplas
2004-04-22  8:09     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-04-23 23:27       ` James Simmons
2004-04-23 16:53     ` Alex Stewart
2004-04-23 20:03       ` James Simmons
2004-04-23 18:35     ` James Simmons
2004-04-23 19:54       ` James Simmons
2004-04-22  3:18   ` Alex Stewart
2004-04-22 20:57     ` James Simmons
2004-04-23  4:03       ` Alex Stewart
2004-04-23  6:43         ` Alex Stewart
2004-04-23 23:00           ` James Simmons
2004-04-23 23:00             ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " James Simmons
2004-04-24  3:15             ` Randy.Dunlap
2004-04-24  7:08               ` Alex Stewart
2004-04-24  7:08                 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Alex Stewart
2004-04-25  3:10                 ` James Simmons
2004-04-25  3:10                   ` James Simmons
2004-04-25  3:09               ` James Simmons
2004-04-25  3:09                 ` James Simmons
2004-04-24 17:29             ` Alex Stewart
2004-04-24 17:29               ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Alex Stewart
2004-04-25  0:55               ` James Simmons
2004-04-25  0:55                 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " James Simmons
2004-04-26 18:12                 ` Alex Stewart
2004-04-27  0:11                   ` James Simmons
2004-04-27  1:15                     ` Alex Stewart
2004-04-27  8:49                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-04-27 10:12                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-04-27 20:25                           ` James Simmons
2004-04-27 22:48                             ` John Zielinski
2004-04-27 23:10                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-04-27 23:21                                 ` James Simmons
2004-04-27 23:25                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-04-27 23:46                                   ` John Zielinski
2004-04-27 23:50                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-04-28  0:38                                       ` John Zielinski
2004-04-28  0:41                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-04-28  1:39                                           ` John Zielinski
2004-04-28  3:17                                             ` Alex Stewart
2004-04-28  3:18                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-04-28 17:02                                                 ` James Simmons
2004-04-28  4:36                                               ` John Zielinski
2004-04-28  4:56                                                 ` Alex Stewart
2004-04-28  6:59                                                   ` John Zielinski
2004-04-28  8:26                                         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-04-28 22:00                                           ` John Zielinski
2004-04-28  0:29                                     ` Otto Solares
2004-04-28  0:54                                       ` Antonino A. Daplas
2004-04-28  1:15                                         ` Otto Solares
2004-04-28  1:21                                       ` John Zielinski
2004-04-28 16:53                                         ` James Simmons
2004-04-28  0:23                                   ` Otto Solares
2004-04-28  0:20                                 ` Otto Solares
2004-04-28  0:36                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-04-28  7:08                                     ` Otto Solares
2004-04-28  8:27                                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-04-28 10:16                                       ` Michel Dänzer
2004-04-28 16:37                                         ` Otto Solares
2004-04-28 16:50                                           ` James Simmons
2004-04-28 22:26                                           ` Michel Dänzer
2004-04-28 23:42                                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-04-28 23:59                                               ` James Simmons
2004-04-29  1:06                                               ` Otto Solares
2004-04-29  1:20                                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-04-29 16:56                                                   ` James Simmons
2004-04-29 21:57                                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-04-30 15:06                                                       ` Ville Syrjälä
2004-04-30 16:50                                                         ` James Simmons
2004-05-01  0:40                                                           ` Otto Solares
2004-05-06 19:28                                                             ` Mobility M1 refresh code problem 2.4.26? Richard Smith
2004-05-06 19:57                                                               ` Mikael Eriksson
2004-05-06 20:35                                                                 ` Richard Smith
2004-05-06 20:42                                                                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-05-06 21:12                                                                     ` Richard Smith
2004-05-07  7:57                                                                       ` Mikael Eriksson
2004-05-07 14:11                                                                         ` Richard Smith
2004-05-07 15:34                                                                           ` Mikael Eriksson
2004-05-07 19:42                                                                             ` Richard Smith
2004-05-07 23:11                                                                               ` Mikael Eriksson
2004-04-29  8:32                                               ` [PATCH] neofb patches Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-04-29  1:07                                             ` Otto Solares
2004-04-29  1:23                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-04-29 13:01                                               ` Michel Dänzer
2004-04-29 17:52                                                 ` Otto Solares [this message]
2004-04-29 23:12                                                   ` Michel Dänzer
2004-04-30  1:18                                                     ` Otto Solares
2004-04-30  1:28                                                       ` Michel Dänzer
2004-04-30 21:26                                                         ` Otto Solares
2004-04-28 23:30                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-04-28 17:39                                       ` James Simmons
2004-04-28 18:03                                         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-04-28 22:46                                         ` John Zielinski
2004-04-27  8:56                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-04-23 16:07         ` James Simmons

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